DSE powerhouse - Read the Book, Saw the Movie, Got the T-Shirt
May I offer my hearty congratulations to all those who both helped out and those who popped in and said hi, hundreds of Open Office CD's as well as Knoppix /morphix CD's were given away, Many people had a first look at open source, and Hundreds of WLUG brochures were taken by interested people.
DSE staff tell me they had a really good weekend with PC sales, and the response from staff was that it went well and they felt positive about doing something like it again. (They Had some good specials so I dont think we get the credit for this)
Sunday saw Bruce bring in the OS Revolution video which was played on a PC in store, It got a lot of interest, and helped us move CD's and flyers. Also Bruce and family set up some addictive games and got the kids playing, as a result there will be a lot of new frozen bubble players wanting to boot up linux for another game.
I found people very responsive, and pleased to know that there was some choice in NZ, they were also very keen to realize that Kiwi's were involved in Linux and Open Source projects, and that we had a group here in the Waikato. It was a very pleasant way to spend a day. A lot of people also were very interested in the more technical aspects of linux, and what it could do, and some with older PC's were pleased to learn of projects such as Feather and other minimal Linux's for their boxes. We also discussed hardware, and what would work best in a linux/windows PC. Staff asked us to assist with questions, and seemed happy to have our experience and independence there for customers to bounce ideas off. In short, if there was a PC question on Linux, we probably heard it.
Great work team. We showed the best face to the community, and came across well. You earned your shirts, wear them with pride.
Thanks also to Chris and Ross from DSE for allowing us to be involved, we hope that DSE and their Customers got as much from the weekend as we did. Also well done Daniel and the rest of the committee for organizing all this and making is flow for those of us who did a shift.
I'm going to bed now with a new respect for those in retail who are on their feet all day, and spend all day trying to help people with their problems.
Again well done to all who gave up time to help out. Look out for new sign ups to the mail list.
Update to my last.
I popped into DSE today to sort out some final bits, and on the way home called in to the PC company, they are selling off a lot of old stock and new machines, bit all are OS free, Apparently, many people object to paying the $150.00 tax to Microsoft when all they want to do surf the net,e-mail and type the odd letter. Many are asking about linux, we discussed the usual modem issues, but as they can get and sell some cheep serial modem to overcome this I think there may be plan developing.
Anyway I am dropping off some copies of the WLUG brochure, and taking some distros in, and we will look at the possibility of me preloading some machines for them. I am thinking Knoppix for testing devices, mandrake for new users (lots of software) I wonder about fedora, and maybe Xandros community as these will show up at lug meetings looking for a ... how do I .... ??? I also would consider Yoper/CollegeLinux /Debian .. in fact anything that will work as long as the support is there either from the wider community or the LUG, but I suspect many people will want to bring these to a lug meeting, rather than use a forum, at least at the beginning.
I know we just did an installfest, so what was the experience, and what would be a good distro for a new user, if the Lug is to offer support.
Its the last part ... Helping the new user, that is of most concern. I pushed WLUG as an issue, since there will be a learning curve. I would appreciate helpful comments here, but the tide is turning, and people are looking for a Linux for their home PC. Its time to see if We are ready to step up to the Plate.
This is not an excuse for a distro war, rather a chance to say what we can help new users with.
Gavin Denby wrote:
May I offer my hearty congratulations to all those who both helped out and those who popped in and said hi, hundreds of Open Office CD's as well as Knoppix /morphix CD's were given away, Many people had a first look at open source, and Hundreds of WLUG brochures were taken by interested people.
Gavin Denby said:
This is not an excuse for a distro war, rather a chance to say what we can help new users with.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hadn't we already decided this? Fedora was the "official" distro of the WLUG as far as I was aware. It's not necessarily my favourite, though I run it. I don't really care what we decide, but I just thought that we had already made this decision ... and not without a LOT of discussion. You were on the committee at the time Gavin! :P
Greig McGill wrote:
Gavin Denby said:
This is not an excuse for a distro war, rather a chance to say what we can help new users with.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hadn't we already decided this? Fedora was the "official" distro of the WLUG as far as I was aware. It's not necessarily my favourite, though I run it. I don't really care what we decide, but I just thought that we had already made this decision ... and not without a LOT of discussion. You were on the committee at the time Gavin! :P
Yeah, and then we got a bunch of Mandrake CD's at the installfest. Not to mention most of us are running Debian, and that Knoppix, a debian based CD, is by far the fastest way to get Linux up and running on any machine.
I think we need another meeting.
Greig McGill wrote: Yeah, and then we got a bunch of Mandrake CD's at the installfest. Not to mention most of us are running Debian, and that Knoppix, a debian based CD, is by far the fastest way to get Linux up and running on any machine.
I'm not a committee member of wlug so I don't know how pertinent my comments are but here goes anyway.
Personally I have only used debian but I find there are a lot of supportive people ready and willing to help out with questions, even when I come up with the really *DUMB* newbie type questions. It's gotten to the point now where I am able to answer some simple questions myself.
I started with a knoppix based install which I have hacked around with and upgraded to debian sarge, but recently installed a second, linux-only machine (my primary box is dual-boot) from scratch with debian. I still have some teething problems to iron out but it's all good.
Just my tupp'nyworth.
zcat said: (re: changing needs of WLUG users distros)
I think we need another meeting.
Fair enough. Craig, can you add this to the agenda for the next committee meeting? Everyone else, can you submit (here) the best reasons for running your distro of choice? Things to consider:
1. Don't get personal - I don't care if you hate slackware - no inter-distro digs.2. I know we're informal here, but please no trolling or "how about BSD?"calls. BSD will be once everyone is running a GNU/Linux. ;)3. Try and avoid rebuttle, unless it's pointing out a genuine error. 4. Remember, primary criteria is WE ALL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
Cheers,
Greig McGill said:
- Don't get personal - I don't care if you hate slackware - no
inter-distro digs.2. I know we're informal here, but please no trolling or "how about BSD?"calls. BSD will be once everyone is running a GNU/Linux. ;)3. Try and avoid rebuttle, unless it's pointing out a genuine error. 4. Remember, primary criteria is WE ALL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
Gah! That'll teach me to try to do something quickly - sorry about the formatting - user error, not OSS fault! ;)
My vote goes for gentoo :).
Reasons include -> # Source based distro, so everything is custom compiled by you. I think its noticably faster than any "prebuilt" systems. With piles of choice for install, you can start by compiling gcc/base tools - or not if you don't feel like it. # Killer! package management system (portage) (apt has nothing on portage!), auto-dependancy resolving, auto-source package download, rsync package metadata updates, package masking (to stop you from installing the bleeding edge slightly less tested package version if you don't want to). Gives you the power to perform a complete system update in one command # you can set make opts etc. in one place, to be used in all packages you use # Completely modernized init scripts, they are all in the same place - and work similarily. (I love avoiding the madness in some distributions). # kernel compile tool (genkernel), that completely automates the build of kernels including inird/busybox/etc. # large, helpful and friendly community # farly complete set of documents (avalible from the documentation page), covering how to setup lots of common things, specific to gentoo - without nonsense (ie - alsa setup, x and kde setup) # packages make it into portage within days of releases # full gentoo portage mirror on jsg (so people with jetst* can download packages fast and free) # simple package installation (emerge kde, rather than wading through piles of tree menus to install specific packages) # good on lots of arch's (my amd64 is humming along with it)
+ it gives you the know-how to understand whats really going on, so you know what to do when there is somthing wrong with the system. Back when I used debian, or even back further, when I used redhat - my solution to every problem was to put the install cd back in.
+ many more
All in all - I find gentoo to be awsome, even if it takes a bit more effort to install, its worth it! (if anybody wants more info, or a copy of a live cd let me know, or visit www.gentoo.org and/or ftp://ftp2.jetstreamgames.co.nz/pub/dist/gentoo).
(my few cents)
m
Greig McGill wrote:
zcat said: (re: changing needs of WLUG users distros)
I think we need another meeting.
Fair enough. Craig, can you add this to the agenda for the next committee meeting? Everyone else, can you submit (here) the best reasons for running your distro of choice? Things to consider:
- Don't get personal - I don't care if you hate slackware - no
inter-distro digs.2. I know we're informal here, but please no trolling or "how about BSD?"calls. BSD will be once everyone is running a GNU/Linux. ;)3. Try and avoid rebuttle, unless it's pointing out a genuine error. 4. Remember, primary criteria is WE ALL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
Cheers,
Everyone else, can you submit (here) the best reasons for running your distro of choice? Things to consider:
- Don't get personal - I don't care if you hate slackware - no
inter-distro digs. 2. I know we're informal here, but please no trolling or "how about BSD?"calls. BSD will be once everyone is running a GNU/Linux. ;) 3. Try and avoid rebuttle, unless it's pointing out a genuine error. 4. Remember, primary criteria is WE ALL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
Just to follow up, remember this is the distribution we recommend to people who just want "The Linux". It does not mean in any way that you have to run it to be "in the club". Further to Greig's question above, try to put your suggestions in the form of "the best reason for *someone else* to run your distro of choice".
Also bear in mind that some of these people will have p2-266's and 14.4k dialups.
Daniel.
Daniel Lawson wrote:
Just to follow up, remember this is the distribution we recommend to people who just want "The Linux". It does not mean in any way that you have to run it to be "in the club". Further to Greig's question above, try to put your suggestions in the form of "the best reason for *someone else* to run your distro of choice".
Also bear in mind that some of these people will have p2-266's and 14.4k dialups.
Sorry.
// goes back to the corner...
I recomend it though, compiling everything isn't as crazy as it sounds - if you have a *mildly* recent computer.
m
Daniel.
Also bear in mind that some of these people will have p2-266's and 14.4k dialups.
Sorry.
// goes back to the corner...
I recomend it though, compiling everything isn't as crazy as it sounds - if you have a *mildly* recent computer.
Hey, it wasn't a slapdown. I was just pointing out that Greig was asking for comments for suggestions for linux distributions for people who aren't already running linux! Learning more about linux is a fine goal - and something I'd suggest people do. However, we need to get them past the "Oh my God, it's not windows" stage first :).
Also, I've seen some nasty bugs in gentoo's packaging which are not at all condusive to a new user. It's great, but I wouldn't put my mother in front of it.
If we want super-optimised distro's, then I believe that is one of Yoper's claims to fame...
OK. Some interesting points being raised. Keep 'em coming.
BUT.
Please quit with the "MickeySoft" and micro$oft. We are a group who lists advocacy as one of its goals. Good advocates do not descend to name calling.
I don't like Microsoft one little bit. I consider most of their software to be, at best, underachieving, and at worst, quite brain dead. I do however use and support it on a daily basis. I'm using it right now, for reasons I don't care to elaborate on. This is my opinion, and I will state it when asked. What I will NOT do, and do not like seeing on a public mailing list, is childish name calling. A business that wishes to be taken seriously does not indulge in public name calling of its competitors, and nor, I believe, should we.
Lead by example. No one will listen to the guy who still thinks calling Microsoft "mickeysoft" is funny. If we wish to remain the sad geek culture we are often perceived as, then by all means, lets keep that up. If we wish to advocate GNU/Linux to the "mainstream", then quit with the insults, and carry on showing just what superior tools we do have at our disposal.
OK, back to the distro plugging.
Greig.
I recall that it wasn't that long ago when this point was brought up... I totally agree with Greig, this "MickeySoft" (or whatever) business is totally unprofessional...
Greig McGill wrote:
OK. Some interesting points being raised. Keep 'em coming.
BUT.
Please quit with the "MickeySoft" and micro$oft. We are a group who lists advocacy as one of its goals. Good advocates do not descend to name calling.
I don't like Microsoft one little bit. I consider most of their software to be, at best, underachieving, and at worst, quite brain dead. I do however use and support it on a daily basis. I'm using it right now, for reasons I don't care to elaborate on. This is my opinion, and I will state it when asked. What I will NOT do, and do not like seeing on a public mailing list, is childish name calling. A business that wishes to be taken seriously does not indulge in public name calling of its competitors, and nor, I believe, should we.
Lead by example. No one will listen to the guy who still thinks calling Microsoft "mickeysoft" is funny. If we wish to remain the sad geek culture we are often perceived as, then by all means, lets keep that up. If we wish to advocate GNU/Linux to the "mainstream", then quit with the insults, and carry on showing just what superior tools we do have at our disposal.
OK, back to the distro plugging.
Greig.
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* Greig McGill greig@hamiltron.net [2004-07-19 12:34]:
Please quit with the "MickeySoft" and micro$oft. We are a group who lists advocacy as one of its goals. Good advocates do not descend to name calling.
Thank you for saying it.
I am not afraid to offend and will bash be the first to bash on Microsoft products given the chance; but tired plays on the company name are a different matter entirely. They won't convince anyone of anything, and are puerile at best. Most people get over making fun of others' names in basic school.
Regards,
Further to the points I raised last night (which received a good reaction onlist, and a mixed one offlist ;), and in absence of a proper AUP for this mailing list: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue14/advocate.html
Some wise words there.
Regards,
Greig McGill
Greig McGill wrote:
Further to the points I raised last night (which received a good reaction onlist, and a mixed one offlist ;), and in absence of a proper AUP for this mailing list: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue14/advocate.html
Some wise words there.
The "Official" Linux Advocacy mini-Howto is available in all Howto mirrors[1]. Like the above link, it's old (circa 2000), but I somehow doubt this field has changed much.
What has changed is the importance of understanding linux advocacy. Linux is getting increasing media coverage, and the public eye is being drawn to it more and more. If you actually think Linux has a shot at being anything other than something for "geeks and freaks" [2], then you should be thinking about how you portray it. Same goes for anything you're interested in really - although I'm not sure you'd be taken seriously if you try to explain the merits of gangsta rap to your grandmother.
Daniel
[1] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Advocacy.html [2] The words of a computer professional in Hamilton, trying to sell a windows solution to my father. Needless to say, this guy didn't get the contract.
I have watched the debate and sat back wondering what, if anything I could add that would be insightful and valuable.
Naturally I lean toward introducing CollegeLinux into the debate. partly because I can support it, it has an absolutely awesome support forum, and we are in alpha on the 2.6 release based on slackware 10 with a 2.6 kernel upgrade and partly because its whole design was to introduce linux and to help people learn how to get under the bonnet and play with the engine.
But I wonder if we are taking the right tack here.
Should we really be supporting a single distro. or even a single base like fedora , and an install disk like combind (single CD and fedora based, so still fedora when you lift the bonnet). OK we need a preferred distro. but then of course if we do an installfest at say DSE we will be given Mandrake CD's as they sell these. Andreas kindly donates a number of yoper cds. Someone with a P1 233 laptop pops in, and since anything else is too slow I help by getting Feather working just like on my old clunker. (great for steam powered laptops.) and someone who has tried to get knoppx right since doing the disk install is guided to a working system.
and that is what happens in the real world. We have users who use RH (Fedora), Debian and Slack based distros, we use debs, rpms and packages we Yum,apt-get or swaret our updates and new tools, yet we all use Linux (ok or BSD too) and open source where we can. we have learnt command line, and gui interfaces (if we run desktops), eventually make our own servers of some sort, and learned how one step at a time.
Maybe ... Just Maybe, instead of the path we are trying to take, we widen it a little, and do an audit of who can support what, and at what level. This would give us an expert base to tap into instead. Naturally the Lug would have a preference to start from, and it should have a server and a desktop path (IMHO) and following an installfest, or when required would run a new user class. But a list of who can help with what can mean that distro specific questions can be directed to someone who will mentor the newbies into users with enough skills to feel at home in a monthly geek meeting. (even if fedora core is the only disks used, there should be a list of what to install for each path.)
SO starting with me: I can do CollegeLinux and Feather quite well, I have some Mandrake experience, and I'm brushing up my fedora. (haven't had a successful yoper install yet, but I am working toward that) and can do some general linux stuff too. But I am not there Monday nights as I teach that night, I can do installfest and expos by arrangement, and do a lot of e-mail and forum support, and right now I am writing the users guide to CL having already completed a full step by step install guide for 2.5, and updating the install guides for the new 2.6 alpha. Naturally, having suggested this, I need to back it up with the promise to carry it out if so requested.
Maybe some thinking down this path before the Committee makes its deliberations could be helpful too.
Greig McGill wrote:
OK. Some interesting points being raised. Keep 'em coming.
BUT.
Greig McGill wrote:
Everyone else, can you submit (here) the best reasons for running your distro of choice? Things to consider:
- Don't get personal - I don't care if you hate slackware - no inter-distro digs. > 2. I know we're informal here, but please no trolling or "how about
BSD?"calls. BSD will be once everyone is running a GNU/Linux. ;)
- Try and avoid rebuttle, unless it's pointing out a genuine error.
- Remember, primary criteria is WE ALL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
I'd recommend against new users running Debian (dispite my running in at work and home) for the following reasons:
* Unstable is unstable[1] and stable is very out of date at the moment * X configuration is horrible/non-existant * If you forget to load the module for your network card early on in the installer, it won't ask you for network configuration and you'll have to spend half an hour hunting down the required configuration files * dselect lets you remove dpkg
[1] Not that it crashes, but packages come and go randomly and if you do an "apt-get update" at the wrong moment it'll insist that you can't update a package because the dependancies aren't there. 5 minutes later it works again.
Jonathan Purvis wrote:
I'd recommend against new users running Debian (dispite my running in at work and home) for the following reasons:
- Unstable is unstable[1] and stable is very out of date at the moment
- X configuration is horrible/non-existant
- If you forget to load the module for your network card early on in
the installer, it won't ask you for network configuration and you'll have to spend half an hour hunting down the required configuration files
- dselect lets you remove dpkg
I'd tend to agree with these points, I personally run debian and and had forgotten these things as stuff long gone but from a new user these are quite possibly relative points.
That being said some of these points may not be such an issue on a pre-installed machine
I'd recommend against new users running Debian (dispite my running in at work and home) for the following reasons:
And I suggested it because knoppix on harddrive is basically a self-configured debian install.
- Unstable is unstable[1] and stable is very out of date at the moment
Sure, stuff changes if you regularly apt-get dist-upgrade, but that's not a problem if you only upgrade the packages that need upgrading..
- X configuration is horrible/non-existant
X is preconfigured quite well in a knoppix install.
- If you forget to load the module for your network card early on in
the installer, it won't ask you for network configuration and you'll have to spend half an hour hunting down the required configuration files
Not a problem in a knoppix install.
- dselect lets you remove dpkg
Windows lets you delete the java debugger (teddy bear file :) or any other system file that's not in use at the time. Very few people see this as a huge problem..
Yeah, and then we got a bunch of Mandrake CD's at the installfest. Not to mention most of us are running Debian, and that Knoppix, a debian based CD, is by far the fastest way to get Linux up and running on any machine.
I think we need another meeting.
We can have another meeting; I'll put it on the agenda for the upcoming committee meeting (it's happening this Wednesday night - WHERE IS THE REMINDER BOT?) but I think the situation hasn't changed; the people that are the most vocal at recommending Linux are often new people/Mandrake people, and the people that most often have to do the supporting are Fedora/Debian people.
We are never going to/going to be able to select a "single" distro for support; and I for one can't specifically support anything I'm not really familiar with, and don't have the time or the inclination to change the distros that I run personally. Mandrake may be popular enough for it to be considered as an option for "first tier support from WLUG", whatever that is, but then we have the problem that half the LUG will run Fedora and the other half will run Mandrake and one half won't be able to help the other half. With apologies to everyone here who's involved in a distribution of their own, fragmentation really doesn't help support. However, Linux is Linux etc.
The short of it is that we need to have people volunteering to help. If we had a vociferous Mandrake expert who was always available and jumping up and down to help everyone with their problems, then there wouldn't really be an problem!
Craig
Gavin suddenly recalls the idea of a wlug distro.
maybe a best of fedora single cd customised for ease of install, and basic linmodem support. (if memory serves)
Did anyone ever take this anywhere ??
Could we support that ?
We are never going to/going to be able to select a "single" distro for support; and I for one can't specifically support anything I'm not really familiar with, and don't have the time or the inclination to change the distros that I run personally.
Gavin Denby wrote:
Gavin suddenly recalls the idea of a wlug distro.
maybe a best of fedora single cd customised for ease of install, and basic linmodem support. (if memory serves)
Did anyone ever take this anywhere ??
Could we support that ?
http://www.cobind.com/desktop.html
That might be a good base.
You have another problem in that all the "supporting" staff of WLUG are on ADSL, too. ;)
Craig
Thats rather cool, must play with it.
and everyone should have have ADSL and and ADSL ROUTER .
oh yeah, and a realtek card in the machine to talk to it. Then they coul install it themselves.
http://www.cobind.com/desktop.html
That might be a good base.
You have another problem in that all the "supporting" staff of WLUG are on ADSL, too. ;)
Craig
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SO now you are the modem guru .. cool.
Was that that opening our mouth to change feet or what ???
zcat wrote:
You have another problem in that all the "supporting" staff of WLUG are on ADSL, too. ;)
No they're not :(
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Gavin Denby wrote:
SO now you are the modem guru .. cool.
Was that that opening our mouth to change feet or what ???
I was the local 'modem guru' even when I still had adsl .. and despite having no shortage of good internal and external 56k modems I can assure you getting back onto broadband is damn near my highest priority right now. I thought I could cope with dialup and save some money, but I'd forgotten how much dialup SUCKS!
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:32, zcat wrote:
Gavin Denby wrote:
SO now you are the modem guru .. cool.
Was that that opening our mouth to change feet or what ???
I was the local 'modem guru' even when I still had adsl .. and despite having no shortage of good internal and external 56k modems I can assure you getting back onto broadband is damn near my highest priority right now. I thought I could cope with dialup and save some money, but I'd forgotten how much dialup SUCKS!
I feel your pain brother! When I had to give up my DSL because I was redundant and couldn't afford it I suffered. Now I'm lucky again. We had wireless installed. 256 kbps unlimited for $49 per month! ahhh - no more dialup!
Once you've had broadband (well - for some definition of "broadband") you don't want to go back.
zcat wrote:
You have another problem in that all the "supporting" staff of WLUG are on ADSL, too. ;)
No they're not :(
Which reminds me; has anyone got a copy of FreeBSD 5.1 or whatever is bleeding-edge at the moment? My 5.0 seems a bit broken. There's no packages for it and I don't know how / have no bandwidth to upgrade it.
mail me or phone/txt 021 2595256 thanks..
zcat wrote:
zcat wrote:
You have another problem in that all the "supporting" staff of WLUG are on ADSL, too. ;)
No they're not :(
Which reminds me; has anyone got a copy of FreeBSD 5.1 or whatever is bleeding-edge at the moment? My 5.0 seems a bit broken. There's no packages for it and I don't know how / have no bandwidth to upgrade it.
mail me or phone/txt 021 2595256 thanks..
cvsup is your friend :)
If you can't cvsup then there is a floooopie version (2 disks kern.flp and mfsroot.flp) from ftp.freebsd.org
- Drew
Drew Broadley wrote:
zcat wrote:
zcat wrote:
You have another problem in that all the "supporting" staff of WLUG are on ADSL, too. ;)
No they're not :(
Which reminds me; has anyone got a copy of FreeBSD 5.1 or whatever is bleeding-edge at the moment? My 5.0 seems a bit broken. There's no packages for it and I don't know how / have no bandwidth to upgrade it.
mail me or phone/txt 021 2595256 thanks..
cvsup is your friend :)
Can I use your connection? I'm on paradise and I've already used up most of my 250hours for this month. I'm limiting myself to email in 1minute bursts so that the last four hours will get me through the week :(
I Have been away so long, I just wanted to be up to date.
Fedora sounds fine to me.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hadn't we already decided this? Fedora was the "official" distro of the WLUG as far as I was aware. It's not necessarily my favourite, though I run it. I don't really care what we decide, but I just thought that we had already made this decision ... and not without a LOT of discussion. You were on the committee at the time Gavin! :P
Gavin Denby said:
ok, don't hit enter too soon
Is there a local (NZ mirror ) with the fedora 2 available please,
Gavin Denby wrote:
I Have been away so long, I just wanted to be up to date.
Fedora sounds fine to me.
ftp://ftp.jetstreamgames.co.nz/pub/dist/fedora/2/
Thanks, but As i have a ton of work to catch back up on I will pass at this stage.
I'll download a set and have a play.
Havn't used RH since 7.1 threw my system.
Daniel Lawson wrote:
Gavin Denby wrote:
ok, don't hit enter too soon
Is there a local (NZ mirror ) with the fedora 2 available please,
If you want to (or are able to) pop past uni, I can burn you a set.
Daniel
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Its the last part ... Helping the new user, that is of most concern. I pushed WLUG as an issue, since there will be a learning curve. I would appreciate helpful comments here, but the tide is turning, and people are looking for a Linux for their home PC. Its time to see if We are ready to step up to the Plate.
Count me in for this.. I'm reasonably familiar with debian and redhat, and could probably find my way around any other distro. Always happy to spend a few hours installing distros and/or walking new users through the basics!
Also I've been having a lot of fun lately with FreeBSD, but I'm not sure we should be giving that to 'newbs' quite yet :)
Don't forget the MickySoft person trying to bribe people into office with the free hat, to which I responded "Does it have Tux on it?" :;
I took the hat,
once I Unstich the Microsoft and boxes, it will have,, TUX and open in front of office
but it was a good comparasim, open office free or Microsoft office on special at $160.
actually I also showed mhim how to login to 2000 He didn't know CTRL-ALT-Del he usually shows off X-Boxes
... For next time ;-)
DrWho? wrote:
Don't forget the MickySoft person trying to bribe people into office with the free hat, to which I responded "Does it have Tux on it?" : ;
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