Hi
Can somebody advise me how to download Debian Wheezy? I want to get away from Ubuntu 12.4, which the developers have locked down hard enough that I am unable to set it up the way I like my Linux to function. Key issue is of course Unity, which I regard as excellent for all those who prefer small screens (i.e. Smartphones and Tablets), but for those of us who have bought large screens, Unity is a regression back towards the ugly side of DOS. (You had to remember each command before you could use it. Menus may be slow to work with, but their use is quick to learn, and for infrequently used commands they are simply superior.)
I need the amd64 edition, and I do not want to download just a basic system to try whether my knowledge is good enough to get it running, not reams after reams of iso's that eventually I never use. A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64, and perusal of the fora indicated that I will have to wait until kernel 3.4 (3.2 is currently used) becomes standard before I can use any rpm based distribution.
I have tried Linux Mint XFCE as well, as another possible way to escape Canonical's lockdown into Unity, but that does not install at all on my machine for reasons apparently not connected to my hardware.
What is the most appropriate server here in NZ to download Debian?
Thank you
Wolfgang Vogelbein
Hi Wolfgang
You are by no means restricted to using Unity with Ubuntu. Not only are there several alternatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc) which you can either install from scratch with a CD, or on your existing system by installing the xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop metapackages, but you can also run whatever window manager you prefer to use. You definitely don't need to change distributions to change the environment!
That said, if you want to download Debian, I'd just get the iso from the canonical source: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
There are no NZ debian iso mirrors that I know of, and other than it perhaps taking a bit longer to download, you aren't really disadvantaged by getting it from elsewhere.
If you want a Wheezy iso, I think you'll need to get one of the debian-testing iso images, eg http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/
Hi
Can somebody advise me how to download Debian Wheezy? I want to get away from Ubuntu 12.4, which the developers have locked down hard enough that I am unable to set it up the way I like my Linux to function. Key issue is of course Unity, which I regard as excellent for all those who prefer small screens (i.e. Smartphones and Tablets), but for those of us who have bought large screens, Unity is a regression back towards the ugly side of DOS. (You had to remember each command before you could use it. Menus may be slow to work with, but their use is quick to learn, and for infrequently used commands they are simply superior.)
I need the amd64 edition, and I do not want to download just a basic system to try whether my knowledge is good enough to get it running, not reams after reams of iso's that eventually I never use. A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64, and perusal of the fora indicated that I will have to wait until kernel 3.4 (3.2 is currently used) becomes standard before I can use any rpm based distribution.
I have tried Linux Mint XFCE as well, as another possible way to escape Canonical's lockdown into Unity, but that does not install at all on my machine for reasons apparently not connected to my hardware.
What is the most appropriate server here in NZ to download Debian?
Thank you
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Thanks for that link. Can you tell me how many iso's I need to download before I can start installing?
Wolfgang
On 07/09/12 13:50, Daniel Lawson wrote:
Hi Wolfgang
You are by no means restricted to using Unity with Ubuntu. Not only are there several alternatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc) which you can either install from scratch with a CD, or on your existing system by installing the xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop metapackages, but you can also run whatever window manager you prefer to use. You definitely don't need to change distributions to change the environment!
That said, if you want to download Debian, I'd just get the iso from the canonical source: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
There are no NZ debian iso mirrors that I know of, and other than it perhaps taking a bit longer to download, you aren't really disadvantaged by getting it from elsewhere.
If you want a Wheezy iso, I think you'll need to get one of the debian-testing iso images, eg http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/
Hi
Can somebody advise me how to download Debian Wheezy? I want to get away from Ubuntu 12.4, which the developers have locked down hard enough that I am unable to set it up the way I like my Linux to function. Key issue is of course Unity, which I regard as excellent for all those who prefer small screens (i.e. Smartphones and Tablets), but for those of us who have bought large screens, Unity is a regression back towards the ugly side of DOS. (You had to remember each command before you could use it. Menus may be slow to work with, but their use is quick to learn, and for infrequently used commands they are simply superior.)
I need the amd64 edition, and I do not want to download just a basic system to try whether my knowledge is good enough to get it running, not reams after reams of iso's that eventually I never use. A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64, and perusal of the fora indicated that I will have to wait until kernel 3.4 (3.2 is currently used) becomes standard before I can use any rpm based distribution.
I have tried Linux Mint XFCE as well, as another possible way to escape Canonical's lockdown into Unity, but that does not install at all on my machine for reasons apparently not connected to my hardware.
What is the most appropriate server here in NZ to download Debian?
Thank you
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You only need the first, it has enough to install a basic system. Everything else you can get online via apt-get or other similar tools.
Thanks for that link. Can you tell me how many iso's I need to download before I can start installing?
Wolfgang
On 07/09/12 13:50, Daniel Lawson wrote:
Hi Wolfgang
You are by no means restricted to using Unity with Ubuntu. Not only are there several alternatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc) which you can either install from scratch with a CD, or on your existing system by installing the xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop metapackages, but you can also run whatever window manager you prefer to use. You definitely don't need to change distributions to change the environment!
That said, if you want to download Debian, I'd just get the iso from the canonical source: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
There are no NZ debian iso mirrors that I know of, and other than it perhaps taking a bit longer to download, you aren't really disadvantaged by getting it from elsewhere.
If you want a Wheezy iso, I think you'll need to get one of the debian-testing iso images, eg http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/
Just get the net install iso, that way everything else gets installed from the repos, the latest versions and only the packages you actually need.
I'm still running squeeze. Not sure if I want to upgrade just yet.
On 7 September 2012 14:41, Wolfgang wv99999@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for that link. Can you tell me how many iso's I need to download before I can start installing?
Wolfgang
On 07/09/12 13:50, Daniel Lawson wrote:
Hi Wolfgang
You are by no means restricted to using Unity with Ubuntu. Not only are there several alternatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc) which you can either install from scratch with a CD, or on your existing system by installing the xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop metapackages, but you can also run whatever window manager you prefer to use. You definitely don't need to change distributions to change the environment!
That said, if you want to download Debian, I'd just get the iso from the canonical source: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
There are no NZ debian iso mirrors that I know of, and other than it perhaps taking a bit longer to download, you aren't really disadvantaged by getting it from elsewhere.
If you want a Wheezy iso, I think you'll need to get one of the debian-testing iso images, eg http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/
Hi
Can somebody advise me how to download Debian Wheezy? I want to get away from Ubuntu 12.4, which the developers have locked down hard enough that I am unable to set it up the way I like my Linux to function. Key issue is of course Unity, which I regard as excellent for all those who prefer small screens (i.e. Smartphones and Tablets), but for those of us who have bought large screens, Unity is a regression back towards the ugly side of DOS. (You had to remember each command before you could use it. Menus may be slow to work with, but their use is quick to learn, and for infrequently used commands they are simply superior.)
I need the amd64 edition, and I do not want to download just a basic system to try whether my knowledge is good enough to get it running, not reams after reams of iso's that eventually I never use. A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64, and perusal of the fora indicated that I will have to wait until kernel 3.4 (3.2 is currently used) becomes standard before I can use any rpm based distribution.
I have tried Linux Mint XFCE as well, as another possible way to escape Canonical's lockdown into Unity, but that does not install at all on my machine for reasons apparently not connected to my hardware.
What is the most appropriate server here in NZ to download Debian?
Thank you
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Hi
To install squeeze, up to a running graphical system, requires only the first iso and just over 500 files. For wheezy, two iso's are needed and about 1700 files, to get to Gnome 3.4. (I need a graphical environment to work. I have ditched using the command line the moment DOS became obsolete, and am no longer versed in it) Since Debian does not anymore include non-free packages in their CD's, I am without network access on both the squeeze and wheezy installations. Downloading the required packages using another distribution on the same machine is not a problem - but how do I install them? I cannot get root access on any graphical package, because gksu is not installed, nor am I permitted to log in as root. Thus (??), I will have to use, in a terminal
su aptitude install <downloaded package>
How do I tell aptitude where to find <downloaded package>?
I presume I'll have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file?? It currently reads (empty lines are removed) # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-2 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-3 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
(Note: the third iso was added to my installation before I found out that non-free packages are not part of Debian installation media any more)
Thanks Wolfgang
On 08/09/12 03:54, Bruce Kingsbury wrote:
Just get the net install iso, that way everything else gets installed from the repos, the latest versions and only the packages you actually need.
I'm still running squeeze. Not sure if I want to upgrade just yet.
On 7 September 2012 14:41, Wolfgang <wv99999@gmail.com mailto:wv99999@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for that link. Can you tell me how many iso's I need to download before I can start installing? Wolfgang On 07/09/12 13:50, Daniel Lawson wrote:Hi Wolfgang You are by no means restricted to using Unity with Ubuntu. Not only are there several alternatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc) which you can either install from scratch with a CD, or on your existing system by installing the xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop metapackages, but you can also run whatever window manager you prefer to use. You definitely don't need to change distributions to change the environment! That said, if you want to download Debian, I'd just get the iso from the canonical source: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable There are no NZ debian iso mirrors that I know of, and other than it perhaps taking a bit longer to download, you aren't really disadvantaged by getting it from elsewhere. If you want a Wheezy iso, I think you'll need to get one of the debian-testing iso images, eg http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/Hi Can somebody advise me how to download Debian Wheezy? I want to get away from Ubuntu 12.4, which the developers have locked down hard enough that I am unable to set it up the way I like my Linux to function. Key issue is of course Unity, which I regard as excellent for all those who prefer small screens (i.e. Smartphones and Tablets), but for those of us who have bought large screens, Unity is a regression back towards the ugly side of DOS. (You had to remember each command before you could use it. Menus may be slow to work with, but their use is quick to learn, and for infrequently used commands they are simply superior.) I need the amd64 edition, and I do not want to download just a basic system to try whether my knowledge is good enough to get it running, not reams after reams of iso's that eventually I never use. A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64, and perusal of the fora indicated that I will have to wait until kernel 3.4 (3.2 is currently used) becomes standard before I can use any rpm based distribution. I have tried Linux Mint XFCE as well, as another possible way to escape Canonical's lockdown into Unity, but that does not install at all on my machine for reasons apparently not connected to my hardware. What is the most appropriate server here in NZ to download Debian? Thank you Wolfgang Vogelbein _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug_______________________________________________ wlug mailing list |wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz> Unsubscribe:http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug_______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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How do you normally access the internet? Are you able to plug in temporarily? That would certainly be the easiest alternative.
On 9 September 2012 16:10, Wolfgang wv99999@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
To install squeeze, up to a running graphical system, requires only the first iso and just over 500 files. For wheezy, two iso's are needed and about 1700 files, to get to Gnome 3.4. (I need a graphical environment to work. I have ditched using the command line the moment DOS became obsolete, and am no longer versed in it) Since Debian does not anymore include non-free packages in their CD's, I am without network access on both the squeeze and wheezy installations. Downloading the required packages using another distribution on the same machine is not a problem - but how do I install them? I cannot get root access on any graphical package, because gksu is not installed, nor am I permitted to log in as root. Thus (??), I will have to use, in a terminal
su aptitude install <downloaded package>
How do I tell aptitude where to find <downloaded package>?
I presume I'll have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file?? It currently reads (empty lines are removed) # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-2 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-3 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
(Note: the third iso was added to my installation before I found out that non-free packages are not part of Debian installation media any more)
Thanks Wolfgang
On 08/09/12 03:54, Bruce Kingsbury wrote:
Just get the net install iso, that way everything else gets installed from the repos, the latest versions and only the packages you actually need.
I'm still running squeeze. Not sure if I want to upgrade just yet.
On 7 September 2012 14:41, Wolfgang wv99999@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for that link. Can you tell me how many iso's I need to download before I can start installing?
Wolfgang
On 07/09/12 13:50, Daniel Lawson wrote:
Hi Wolfgang
You are by no means restricted to using Unity with Ubuntu. Not only are there several alternatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc) which you can either install from scratch with a CD, or on your existing system by installing the xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop metapackages, but you can also run whatever window manager you prefer to use. You definitely don't need to change distributions to change the environment!
That said, if you want to download Debian, I'd just get the iso from the canonical source: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
There are no NZ debian iso mirrors that I know of, and other than it perhaps taking a bit longer to download, you aren't really disadvantaged by getting it from elsewhere.
If you want a Wheezy iso, I think you'll need to get one of the debian-testing iso images, eg http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/
Hi
Can somebody advise me how to download Debian Wheezy? I want to get away from Ubuntu 12.4, which the developers have locked down hard enough that I am unable to set it up the way I like my Linux to function. Key issue is of course Unity, which I regard as excellent for all those who prefer small screens (i.e. Smartphones and Tablets), but for those of us who have bought large screens, Unity is a regression back towards the ugly side of DOS. (You had to remember each command before you could use it. Menus may be slow to work with, but their use is quick to learn, and for infrequently used commands they are simply superior.)
I need the amd64 edition, and I do not want to download just a basic system to try whether my knowledge is good enough to get it running, not reams after reams of iso's that eventually I never use. A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64, and perusal of the fora indicated that I will have to wait until kernel 3.4 (3.2 is currently used) becomes standard before I can use any rpm based distribution.
I have tried Linux Mint XFCE as well, as another possible way to escape Canonical's lockdown into Unity, but that does not install at all on my machine for reasons apparently not connected to my hardware.
What is the most appropriate server here in NZ to download Debian?
Thank you
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Hi I access the internet using Ubuntu 12-4, one of four distributions currently installed on my machine. All other distributions I regard as "experimental" until I become comfortable with them. Wheezy and sneeze are the two distros are installed but cannot currently access the internet, only because afaik the drivers for my wireless network are not installed. My fourth distro, Mandriva 11.4, is rather dated, for it I cannot get the necessary drivers. I have also tried the newest Suse and Mageia offerings, they install well, including wireless network - but forget that they have the right drivers installed the moment the installation disk is removed. This is a kernel issue, the daemon supposed to activate the drivers on system-start does not do its job; and it is beyond my knowledge to modprobe the workarounds. It will only be meaningfully fixed from 3.4 kernels onward, 8-12 months from now. Debian in their zeal for FOSS purity has removed non-free software from their installation disks, starting with squeeze. Unless I can learn how to circumvent that, I am stuck. On that cheerful note - - - Wolfgang
On 09/09/12 18:05, Bruce Kingsbury wrote:
How do you normally access the internet? Are you able to plug in temporarily? That would certainly be the easiest alternative.
On 9 September 2012 16:10, Wolfgang <wv99999@gmail.com mailto:wv99999@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi To install squeeze, up to a running graphical system, requires only the first iso and just over 500 files. For wheezy, two iso's are needed and about 1700 files, to get to Gnome 3.4. (I need a graphical environment to work. I have ditched using the command line the moment DOS became obsolete, and am no longer versed in it) Since Debian does not anymore include non-free packages in their CD's, I am without network access on both the squeeze and wheezy installations. Downloading the required packages using another distribution on the same machine is not a problem - but how do I install them? I cannot get root access on any graphical package, because gksu is not installed, nor am I permitted to log in as root. Thus (??), I will have to use, in a terminal su aptitude install <downloaded package> How do I tell aptitude where to find <downloaded package>? I presume I'll have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file?? It currently reads (empty lines are removed) # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120903-05 <tel:1%2020120903-05>:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120903-05 <tel:1%2020120903-05>:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-2 20120903-05 <tel:20120903-05>:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-3 20120903-05 <tel:20120903-05>:09]/ wheezy main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main (Note: the third iso was added to my installation before I found out that non-free packages are not part of Debian installation media any more) Thanks Wolfgang On 08/09/12 03:54, Bruce Kingsbury wrote:Just get the net install iso, that way everything else gets installed from the repos, the latest versions and only the packages you actually need. I'm still running squeeze. Not sure if I want to upgrade just yet. On 7 September 2012 14:41, Wolfgang <wv99999@gmail.com <mailto:wv99999@gmail.com>> wrote: Thanks for that link. Can you tell me how many iso's I need to download before I can start installing? Wolfgang On 07/09/12 13:50, Daniel Lawson wrote:Hi Wolfgang You are by no means restricted to using Unity with Ubuntu. Not only are there several alternatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc) which you can either install from scratch with a CD, or on your existing system by installing the xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop metapackages, but you can also run whatever window manager you prefer to use. You definitely don't need to change distributions to change the environment! That said, if you want to download Debian, I'd just get the iso from the canonical source: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable There are no NZ debian iso mirrors that I know of, and other than it perhaps taking a bit longer to download, you aren't really disadvantaged by getting it from elsewhere. If you want a Wheezy iso, I think you'll need to get one of the debian-testing iso images, eg http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/Hi Can somebody advise me how to download Debian Wheezy? I want to get away from Ubuntu 12.4, which the developers have locked down hard enough that I am unable to set it up the way I like my Linux to function. Key issue is of course Unity, which I regard as excellent for all those who prefer small screens (i.e. Smartphones and Tablets), but for those of us who have bought large screens, Unity is a regression back towards the ugly side of DOS. (You had to remember each command before you could use it. Menus may be slow to work with, but their use is quick to learn, and for infrequently used commands they are simply superior.) I need the amd64 edition, and I do not want to download just a basic system to try whether my knowledge is good enough to get it running, not reams after reams of iso's that eventually I never use. A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64, and perusal of the fora indicated that I will have to wait until kernel 3.4 (3.2 is currently used) becomes standard before I can use any rpm based distribution. I have tried Linux Mint XFCE as well, as another possible way to escape Canonical's lockdown into Unity, but that does not install at all on my machine for reasons apparently not connected to my hardware. What is the most appropriate server here in NZ to download Debian? Thank you Wolfgang Vogelbein _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug_______________________________________________ wlug mailing list |wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz> Unsubscribe:http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug_______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list |wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz> Unsubscribe:http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug_______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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You can copy the wireless firmware files from the ubuntu install to the corresponding directory in the debian install. Just take a look at the output of 'dmesg' too see what it's looking for. There should be one or more files listed there.
On 9 September 2012 20:46, Wolfgang wv99999@gmail.com wrote:
Hi I access the internet using Ubuntu 12-4, one of four distributions currently installed on my machine. All other distributions I regard as "experimental" until I become comfortable with them. Wheezy and sneeze are the two distros are installed but cannot currently access the internet, only because afaik the drivers for my wireless network are not installed. My fourth distro, Mandriva 11.4, is rather dated, for it I cannot get the necessary drivers. I have also tried the newest Suse and Mageia offerings, they install well, including wireless network - but forget that they have the right drivers installed the moment the installation disk is removed. This is a kernel issue, the daemon supposed to activate the drivers on system-start does not do its job; and it is beyond my knowledge to modprobe the workarounds. It will only be meaningfully fixed from 3.4 kernels onward, 8-12 months from now. Debian in their zeal for FOSS purity has removed non-free software from their installation disks, starting with squeeze. Unless I can learn how to circumvent that, I am stuck. On that cheerful note - - - Wolfgang
On 09/09/12 18:05, Bruce Kingsbury wrote:
How do you normally access the internet? Are you able to plug in temporarily? That would certainly be the easiest alternative.
On 9 September 2012 16:10, Wolfgang wv99999@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
To install squeeze, up to a running graphical system, requires only the first iso and just over 500 files. For wheezy, two iso's are needed and about 1700 files, to get to Gnome 3.4. (I need a graphical environment to work. I have ditched using the command line the moment DOS became obsolete, and am no longer versed in it) Since Debian does not anymore include non-free packages in their CD's, I am without network access on both the squeeze and wheezy installations. Downloading the required packages using another distribution on the same machine is not a problem - but how do I install them? I cannot get root access on any graphical package, because gksu is not installed, nor am I permitted to log in as root. Thus (??), I will have to use, in a terminal
su aptitude install <downloaded package>
How do I tell aptitude where to find <downloaded package>?
I presume I'll have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file?? It currently reads (empty lines are removed) # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-2 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-3 20120903-05:09]/ wheezy main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
(Note: the third iso was added to my installation before I found out that non-free packages are not part of Debian installation media any more)
Thanks Wolfgang
On 08/09/12 03:54, Bruce Kingsbury wrote:
Just get the net install iso, that way everything else gets installed from the repos, the latest versions and only the packages you actually need.
I'm still running squeeze. Not sure if I want to upgrade just yet.
On 7 September 2012 14:41, Wolfgang wv99999@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for that link. Can you tell me how many iso's I need to download before I can start installing?
Wolfgang
On 07/09/12 13:50, Daniel Lawson wrote:
Hi Wolfgang
You are by no means restricted to using Unity with Ubuntu. Not only are there several alternatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc) which you can either install from scratch with a CD, or on your existing system by installing the xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop metapackages, but you can also run whatever window manager you prefer to use. You definitely don't need to change distributions to change the environment!
That said, if you want to download Debian, I'd just get the iso from the canonical source: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
There are no NZ debian iso mirrors that I know of, and other than it perhaps taking a bit longer to download, you aren't really disadvantaged by getting it from elsewhere.
If you want a Wheezy iso, I think you'll need to get one of the debian-testing iso images, eg http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/
Hi
Can somebody advise me how to download Debian Wheezy? I want to get away from Ubuntu 12.4, which the developers have locked down hard enough that I am unable to set it up the way I like my Linux to function. Key issue is of course Unity, which I regard as excellent for all those who prefer small screens (i.e. Smartphones and Tablets), but for those of us who have bought large screens, Unity is a regression back towards the ugly side of DOS. (You had to remember each command before you could use it. Menus may be slow to work with, but their use is quick to learn, and for infrequently used commands they are simply superior.)
I need the amd64 edition, and I do not want to download just a basic system to try whether my knowledge is good enough to get it running, not reams after reams of iso's that eventually I never use. A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64, and perusal of the fora indicated that I will have to wait until kernel 3.4 (3.2 is currently used) becomes standard before I can use any rpm based distribution.
I have tried Linux Mint XFCE as well, as another possible way to escape Canonical's lockdown into Unity, but that does not install at all on my machine for reasons apparently not connected to my hardware.
What is the most appropriate server here in NZ to download Debian?
Thank you
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On 09/09/12 20:46, Wolfgang wrote:
Hi I access the internet using Ubuntu 12-4, one of four distributions currently installed on my machine. All other distributions I regard as "experimental" until I become comfortable with them. Wheezy and sneeze are the two distros are installed but cannot currently access the internet, only because afaik the drivers for my wireless network are not installed. My fourth distro, Mandriva 11.4, is rather dated, for it I cannot get the necessary drivers. I have also tried the newest Suse and Mageia offerings, they install well, including wireless network - but forget that they have the right drivers installed the moment the installation disk is removed. This is a kernel issue, the daemon supposed to activate the drivers on system-start does not do its job; and it is beyond my knowledge to modprobe the workarounds. It will only be meaningfully fixed from 3.4 kernels onward, 8-12 months from now. Debian in their zeal for FOSS purity has removed non-free software from their installation disks, starting with squeeze. Unless I can learn how to circumvent that, I am stuck.
Alternatively, if Ubuntu will install properly, you could persist with that. As I said before, Ubuntu's default choice of Unity does not limit you to only using Unity - you are free to install any of the Ubuntu variants: kubuntu (kde), xubuntu (xfce), lubuntu (lxde). These are installable either as full distro iso installers, or by installing the appropriate -desktop package (eg, lubuntu-desktop) on an already installed ubuntu system.
Hi Wolfgang,
In one of your previous e-mails you stated...
"A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64"
I checked Ubuntu 12.04 (Unity) release and Debian V6.0.4 LIVE release (upgraded on-line to V6.0.5) and neither of these releases includes the drivers for the Realtek RTL 8192SU wireless LAN adapter.
The method I used to check was to look in the /lib/firmware/ folder for the directory RTL8192U, ...and I found it doesn't exist.
If you wish to install drivers for the Realtek RTL 8192SU / D-link DWA-131 then I suggest you refer to this Debian wiki page...
http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
The instructions and script for installation on Debian Squeeze (V6.0.x) are also suitable for Ubuntu (12.04).
The instructions suggest that the driver files are placed in /usr/local/lib/firmware/RTL8192U.
However, I didn't do this and I don't know if this works or not. What I did was to place the three driver related files (boot.img, data.img, and main.img) in /lib/firmware/RTL8192U
I used the installation script provided on the Debian wiki page, but I modified it slightly to be as follows...
# aptitude install unzip && exit $ wget ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwa130_revC/Drivers/dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip $ unzip dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip $ su # mkdir -p /lib/firware/RTL8192U # cp rtl8192u_linux_2.6.0006.1031.2008/firmware/RTL8192U/* /lib/firmware/RTL8192U
If the USB Wireless LAN adapter doesn't immediately commence operation then reboot.
Regards, Ian.
PS: If you'd like to download the latest Debian LIVE iso image and burn it to a DVD to try it out or install it, then goto here...
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
...and download, say,...
debian-live-6.0.4-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso 29-Jan-2012 12:12 1.1G
Note: This iso is currently V6.0.4, but once you've installed it, you can do an on-line update that will take your system to V6.0.5.
Sorry, I've noticed there was a typo in my script. I had left a "m" out of one of the "/firmware/"'s.
Script should be...
# aptitude install unzip && exit $ wget ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwa130_revC/Drivers/dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip $ unzip dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip $ su # mkdir -p /lib/firmware/RTL8192U # cp rtl8192u_linux_2.6.0006.1031.2008/firmware/RTL8192U/* /lib/firmware/RTL8192U
From: ianstewart56@hotmail.com To: wlug@list.waikato.ac.nz Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:20:33 +1200 Subject: Re: [wlug] Debian Download - Realtek RTL 8192SU / D-link DWA-131 driver installation
Hi Wolfgang,
In one of your previous e-mails you stated...
"A further complication is that my wi-fi adaptor, D-link DWA-131 (Realtek RTL 8192SU), is not correctly installed by Suse 12.1 or Mageia-2-x86-64"
I checked Ubuntu 12.04 (Unity) release and Debian V6.0.4 LIVE release (upgraded on-line to V6.0.5) and neither of these releases includes the drivers for the Realtek RTL 8192SU wireless LAN adapter.
The method I used to check was to look in the /lib/firmware/ folder for the directory RTL8192U, ...and I found it doesn't exist.
If you wish to install drivers for the Realtek RTL 8192SU / D-link DWA-131 then I suggest you refer to this Debian wiki page...
http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
The instructions and script for installation on Debian Squeeze (V6.0.x) are also suitable for Ubuntu (12.04).
The instructions suggest that the driver files are placed in /usr/local/lib/firmware/RTL8192U.
However, I didn't do this and I don't know if this works or not. What I did was to place the three driver related files (boot.img, data.img, and main.img) in /lib/firmware/RTL8192U
I used the installation script provided on the Debian wiki page, but I modified it slightly to be as follows...
# aptitude install unzip && exit $ wget ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwa130_revC/Drivers/dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip $ unzip dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip $ su # mkdir -p /lib/firware/RTL8192U # cp rtl8192u_linux_2.6.0006.1031.2008/firmware/RTL8192U/* /lib/firmware/RTL8192U
If the USB Wireless LAN adapter doesn't immediately commence operation then reboot.
Regards, Ian.
PS: If you'd like to download the latest Debian LIVE iso image and burn it to a DVD to try it out or install it, then goto here...
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
...and download, say,...
debian-live-6.0.4-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso 29-Jan-2012 12:12 1.1G
Note: This iso is currently V6.0.4, but once you've installed it, you can do an on-line update that will take your system to V6.0.5.
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Success ! Thanks to all that contributed.
Hi
Ian Stewart's contribution was the last missing link that enabled me to get my D-Link DWA-131 wireless USB dongle working. To quickly recall, my problem was that during installation neither the drivers for the dongle, nor <gksu> was installed to enable direct installation from the repo's. Let me here retrace the steps that led to success, so that others may build upon them in their endeavor to promote the use of Linux:
1. identify the chipset used: google for <D-Link DWA-131 Debian> The reference to <Debian> is critical, as otherwise you will be directed to web pages *selling* the dongle. 2. find the Debian package containing the driver: Open the proper result page http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x and follow the link provided there to <firmware-realtek> This leads to the most recent driver Debian knows about, more recent than the one Ian suggested. Follow the links and download the .deb package. 3. Use your Archive Manager to open the package (a Debian Package is just an archive to which come control information has been added in file form) and extract its contents to a separate folder. 4. Inspect folder contents: You will find at least two folders in the package. Ignore DEBIAN, it contains control information. Copy all other folders to the target folders on your target system. - Bingo, as there are no dependencies to worry about!
In the case of the missing package <gksu> the steps were as follows: 1. google for <gksu Debian> Open the proper result page http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gksu and follow the links to your target system. In my case, it was <wheezy> and <amd64>. 2. Check that the dependencies, i.e. packages that also must be installed, are already installed on your system. 3. Download the package, and all dependent packages, unpack them with your Archive Manager and copy the files to their target folders, as outlined above.
Done!
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