> As far as i see it, its hard to say copyright is pro-culture. You
> can
> say culture hasn't completely died under copyright. I would agree
> with
> this. But it hasn't helped.
Copyright is just a concept, and there's nothing wrong with the
concept in
itself IMHO..
Cheers,
Julian
>
>>
>> Copyright can be pro-culture - it's just that /most/ copyright is
>> broken,
>> perverted by the 'free' market - exploited to the contrary.
>>
>>> However, regardless of my beliefs, the position of saying
>>> copyright is
>>> broken is more provocative and might encourage more people to
>>> think
>>> about it than taking a position on the wording of legislation.
>>
>> It may do that, yep, as long as people are educated as to the
>> options otherwise.
>> As it stands I come across a lot of people that claim there is
>> only Copyright
>> (aka RIAA style) and Public Domain, which reflects a gross lack
>> of education on
>> the topic..
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 11:28 +0200, Julian Oliver wrote:
>>>> ..on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:44:23PM +0200, adam hyde wrote:
>>>>> hey
>>>>>
>>>>> on the copyright issue ...
>>>>> rp
>>>>> i think it would be a good opportunity to provoke people to
>>>>> think about
>>>>> copyright - to release a statement way outside of the
>>>>> arguments of this
>>>>> debate, and go for the throat. in my mind that is a statement
>>>>> outlining
>>>>> that we think the current debate is ridiculous because
>>>>> copyright is
>>>>> broken and useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> so, perhaps the position to take, and one that might provoke
>>>>> people to
>>>>> think and might also catch some news-space, is to tell people
>>>>> that we
>>>>> dont want copyright at all...
>>>>
>>>> Hrmm.. as you (very) well know there is nothing wrong with
>>>> copyright in itself,
>>>> in fact copyright can't be avoided. Since the 1886 Berne
>>>> convention it's been a
>>>> naturally assigned right at the point of creating something:
>>>> you can't
>>>> not-have-made something you've already made. It's the terms of
>>>> which that are
>>>> later defined and it's here that problems propogate..
>>>>
>>>> There are socially destructive forms of copyright and socially
>>>> creative forms of
>>>> copyright. The GPL is very much a copyright license as are all
>>>> the creative
>>>> commons licenses (as you know), both of which were created to
>>>> be productive at
>>>> the user level.
>>>>
>>>> The difference between socially destructive copyright (no right
>>>> to remix / no
>>>> right to learn from / what you buy is not yours to share) and
>>>> socially
>>>> productive/creative copyright (right to remix, modify,
>>>> distribute) needs to be
>>>> emphasised.
>>>>
>>>> To these ends I think one of the terms that really needs to be
>>>> squashed is
>>>> 'CopyLeft'; it implies that Creative Commons and the GPL are
>>>> somehow
>>>> 'anti-copyright' which is far from the case. This confuses
>>>> people greatly and
>>>> only serves to undermine any real education on positive, albeit
>>>> reformist,
>>>> directions in policy that benefit the public in general.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 14:46 +1200, Douglas Bagnall wrote:
>>>>>> hello list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have probably heard of fuss over "section 92a", a
>>>>>> proposed amendment
>>>>>> to copyright law that would allow for your internet
>>>>>> connection to be cut
>>>>>> when someone says you are using it piratically. It got
>>>>>> passed as law,
>>>>>> put on hold, thrown out, and is now perhaps fighting its way
>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Throughout all of this ADA has had no position. It seems to
>>>>>> me that we
>>>>>> share considerable membership (that's you list subscribers)
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> Creative Freedom Foundation who led the battle against
>>>>>> section 92 -- but
>>>>>> we probably also share members with APRA and SPADA who
>>>>>> supported the
>>>>>> proposal. So if we do take a position, it is not immediately
>>>>>> clear what
>>>>>> it should be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CFF and its opponents are being terribly pragmatic and
>>>>>> tactical in
>>>>>> what they call for. They are fighting over what the actual
>>>>>> law will look
>>>>>> like, letter by letter. Personally I'm in favour of a far
>>>>>> more anarchic
>>>>>> situation than anything the CFF dares advocate. I understand
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> reasons, of course, but it makes me wonder: if ADA expresses
>>>>>> an official
>>>>>> opinion, should it be unashamedly fringe? Should put out
>>>>>> press releases
>>>>>> like they did manifestos 100 years ago?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably nothing will come of this. I'm just curious as to
>>>>>> whether ADA
>>>>>> members want their trust to be making statements on stuff
>>>>>> like this, and
>>>>>> if so, what they want said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>>
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