> As far as i see it, its hard to say copyright is pro-culture. You > can > say culture hasn't completely died under copyright. I would agree > with > this. But it hasn't helped. Copyright is just a concept, and there's nothing wrong with the concept in itself IMHO.. Cheers, Julian > >> >> Copyright can be pro-culture - it's just that /most/ copyright is >> broken, >> perverted by the 'free' market - exploited to the contrary. >> >>> However, regardless of my beliefs, the position of saying >>> copyright is >>> broken is more provocative and might encourage more people to >>> think >>> about it than taking a position on the wording of legislation. >> >> It may do that, yep, as long as people are educated as to the >> options otherwise. >> As it stands I come across a lot of people that claim there is >> only Copyright >> (aka RIAA style) and Public Domain, which reflects a gross lack >> of education on >> the topic.. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Julian >> >>> >>> On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 11:28 +0200, Julian Oliver wrote: >>>> ..on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:44:23PM +0200, adam hyde wrote: >>>>> hey >>>>> >>>>> on the copyright issue ... >>>>> rp >>>>> i think it would be a good opportunity to provoke people to >>>>> think about >>>>> copyright - to release a statement way outside of the >>>>> arguments of this >>>>> debate, and go for the throat. in my mind that is a statement >>>>> outlining >>>>> that we think the current debate is ridiculous because >>>>> copyright is >>>>> broken and useless. >>>>> >>>>> so, perhaps the position to take, and one that might provoke >>>>> people to >>>>> think and might also catch some news-space, is to tell people >>>>> that we >>>>> dont want copyright at all... >>>> >>>> Hrmm.. as you (very) well know there is nothing wrong with >>>> copyright in itself, >>>> in fact copyright can't be avoided. Since the 1886 Berne >>>> convention it's been a >>>> naturally assigned right at the point of creating something: >>>> you can't >>>> not-have-made something you've already made. It's the terms of >>>> which that are >>>> later defined and it's here that problems propogate.. >>>> >>>> There are socially destructive forms of copyright and socially >>>> creative forms of >>>> copyright. The GPL is very much a copyright license as are all >>>> the creative >>>> commons licenses (as you know), both of which were created to >>>> be productive at >>>> the user level. >>>> >>>> The difference between socially destructive copyright (no right >>>> to remix / no >>>> right to learn from / what you buy is not yours to share) and >>>> socially >>>> productive/creative copyright (right to remix, modify, >>>> distribute) needs to be >>>> emphasised. >>>> >>>> To these ends I think one of the terms that really needs to be >>>> squashed is >>>> 'CopyLeft'; it implies that Creative Commons and the GPL are >>>> somehow >>>> 'anti-copyright' which is far from the case. This confuses >>>> people greatly and >>>> only serves to undermine any real education on positive, albeit >>>> reformist, >>>> directions in policy that benefit the public in general. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 14:46 +1200, Douglas Bagnall wrote: >>>>>> hello list. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have probably heard of fuss over "section 92a", a >>>>>> proposed amendment >>>>>> to copyright law that would allow for your internet >>>>>> connection to be cut >>>>>> when someone says you are using it piratically. It got >>>>>> passed as law, >>>>>> put on hold, thrown out, and is now perhaps fighting its way >>>>>> back. >>>>>> >>>>>> Throughout all of this ADA has had no position. It seems to >>>>>> me that we >>>>>> share considerable membership (that's you list subscribers) >>>>>> with the >>>>>> Creative Freedom Foundation who led the battle against >>>>>> section 92 -- but >>>>>> we probably also share members with APRA and SPADA who >>>>>> supported the >>>>>> proposal. So if we do take a position, it is not immediately >>>>>> clear what >>>>>> it should be. >>>>>> >>>>>> The CFF and its opponents are being terribly pragmatic and >>>>>> tactical in >>>>>> what they call for. They are fighting over what the actual >>>>>> law will look >>>>>> like, letter by letter. Personally I'm in favour of a far >>>>>> more anarchic >>>>>> situation than anything the CFF dares advocate. I understand >>>>>> their >>>>>> reasons, of course, but it makes me wonder: if ADA expresses >>>>>> an official >>>>>> opinion, should it be unashamedly fringe? Should put out >>>>>> press releases >>>>>> like they did manifestos 100 years ago? >>>>>> >>>>>> Probably nothing will come of this. I'm just curious as to >>>>>> whether ADA >>>>>> members want their trust to be making statements on stuff >>>>>> like this, and >>>>>> if so, what they want said. >>>>>> >>>>>> Douglas >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Ada_list mailing list >>>>>> Ada_list(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>>>>> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ >>>>> -- >>>>> Adam Hyde >>>>> Founder FLOSS Manuals >>>>> German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563 >>>>> Email : adam(a)flossmanuals.net >>>>> irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals >>>>> >>>>> "Free manuals for free software" >>>>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/about >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ada_list mailing list >>>>> Ada_list(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>>>> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ >>>> >>> -- >>> Adam Hyde >>> Founder FLOSS Manuals >>> German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563 >>> Email : adam(a)flossmanuals.net >>> irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals >>> >>> "Free manuals for free software" >>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/about >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ada_list mailing list >>> Ada_list(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ >> > -- > Adam Hyde > Founder FLOSS Manuals > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563 > Email : adam(a)flossmanuals.net > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals > > "Free manuals for free software" > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about > > > _______________________________________________ > Ada_list mailing list > Ada_list(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/