There will be a bunch of people there from the WAND group. The speaker
discounts made it possible for us.
Can someone confirm that there will be connectivity (inc wireless) at
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The current (or immediately past?) thread dealing with Net4U contains some postings which are clearly within this list's acceptable use policy, and some which are not. In brief, postings which discuss operational or technical issues - and an ISP using spam to advertise does look to me like one of those - are in. Postings containing "character assassination or lack of respect for other participants" are out. Whether they cause deformation or not.
For myself, I'd like to see no further additions to the thread unless they come from people who have something new and relevant to say.
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Could ISP's that have connections to the APE please contact me with
their prices for bandwidth to equipment located at APE.
michael @ networkstuff.co.nz
Sahil said to me, as well as publically on the site that the "auditor's" report would be made available publically on the website. After a number of months I saw him again, and casually asked, whats up with that auditor's report, and he shrugged it off, as if to say "that was a joke". Secondly Sahil obviously did know about it, so shrugging it off as his staff's fault is amusing in the least
Well perhaps you should work on your management a bit more.
It took all of about 5 seconds to convince me that this was worthwhile
for my sysadmins to attend.
But then again maybe I'm biased, cos I went last year.
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From: Jeremy Brooking [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Friday, 4 July 2003 1:01 p.m.
To: Simon Lyall
Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Peering
Simon Lyall wrote:
>By which I assume you make less than $20,000 per year and live in
>Auckland. Seriously it's $250 per day, if you go on two days thats $500
>bucks. $20/per weeek if you started saving at the start of the year
>this was first mentioned (and I think I told people to start saving).
>If you present you get that day free. If you talk your work into a 5%
>training budget then it'll cover it.
>Exactly what sort of pricing could you afford? I remmeber the little
>forum that Internetnz had a couple of years back, that was $50 per day
>nobody much attended.
Perhaps my _insane_ comment was a bit of an overstatement.
First post I saw regarding it was 9th of 3rd. So that would make it
about $50 a week.
And of course, we all have $50 spare a week dont we?
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> On another note, Whos going to Netforum?
> A quick survey of Auckland Thursday Night Curry attendees didn't look too
Chris and I from Domainz are coming up for the Thursday and Friday. We'll be
the ones hiding in the shadows :)
We're looking forward to Joe's presentation ... and of course the curry on
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I have built two self assembly 19" cases, simply designed
to be a simple as possible, and extremely low cost.
Unit One, 2.5RU (ie the same height as a standard PCI card.)
450mm deep. Accepts standard power supply, any ATX board
(full, mini, micro). Combos are Std CDROM + Floppy + 6 drives OR
up to 10 disk drives without CDROM/Floppy Assembly.
No risers. One case fan (included).
Unit Two, Same Height as standard ATX power supply
90mm, 2RU, 275mm deep. Accepts micro ATX board only.
Accepts Standard ATX power supply. Accepts laptop
1/3high floppy and CDROM (which I can supply if required)
$169 for CD, $79 for floppy.
Accepts 1/2 high PCI Cards only. No risers
Unit Two currently supports 1 x 3.5" DD and 3 x 2.5"DD.
Production version will likely be modded to accept
2 x 3.5"DD and 2 x 2.5" DD
Removable 19" Rack wings on both. Mounting combinations
Flush front, recess 50mm, centre pillar mount, or
reverse mount, and 50mm recessed reversed.
The intention is to place a full shelf underneath the base unit,
then I would not have any qualms about 4-5 racked up on top of
each other. There is currently no provision for slides, but
if someone was desperate.....
Henry Ford Colour scheme.
NZ$260+GST complete with PSU, wiring assembly pwr/hdd assy, screws.
Netforum Special NZ$230+GST. I'll have three units on show
at the Waipuna next week if someone wants to look/dicuss.
The second small unit was intended to complement Cisco 2600
in a rack, but also be the right size for home stereo
with silent PSU and 2.5"DDs, so if you want to buy your own
power supply, knock $35 off the price.
Further discounts for quantity (ie 4up.) If you want to buy just
the metalwork, and make up your own, happy to oblige...
Basically I run them as telephone controllers, log servers etc etc, with
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for approx $700, rack mounted with a 2 year warranty on everything.
About 14 day delivery.
I'll include a couple of JPEG's later this morning.
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Firstly, I'd like to apologise for actions made earlier during the day
with respect to a mailout to a certain group of ISP's. I wasnt thinking
clearly when I thought to add a few more addresses to the mailout to
existing contacts. My bad, wont be repeated.
As Richard has suggested, if anyone has any concerns or issues that need
addressing, please contact us off-list. Just for those that were
concerned, issues with abuse(a)net4u.co.nz have now been resolved.
Once again, my apologies for the drama here in NZNOG.
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You have some valid points here. The whole thing is quite disappointing, and for many, quite frustrating.
This abuse@net4u is also becoming a sore point, and clearly there has been an issue with this address. I can only chase up as much as was passed on to me. There are a number of other recommended tasks which were to be carried out but have not :(
Please contact me off-list with more details, and I will be happy to deal with things.
As I said, I'm sill helping Net4U (Unpaid I might add) here and there when I am not involved with my regular clients.
If anyone else is reading this and has ANY issues with Net4U that have been ignored, please feel free to contact me off-list or directly on 021409987, and I will to my best to deal with things.
This is not the place for this nonsense, so lets get all this off-list, contact me, and lets get everyone happy.
If no one has any other abuse they want to throw this way, perhaps we can move back to other interesting threads such as Multicast which I enjoyed following?
How about why ISP's should/shouldn't be able to control assignment of IP addresses on ADSL Starter? Anyone have any views on this?
From: Dave Howes [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 6:49 p.m.
Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Peering
I think we should all take a good look at ourselves, and the motivation behind the pettiness that from time to time, makes me wonder just how many children play on this list, and how many people are here to get work/business done.
Lets just get on with our work please everyone.
Each time the topic of Net4u has come up I've resisted posting as previously the entire situation was already at boiling point, but suggesting people are here to play when they're obviously just frustrated by actions that they see as detremental and disrespectful to other New Zealand Network Operators really rubs me the wrong way.
Net4u does seem to be operating in a more legal fashion than before but they're still not admin friendly by any stretch of the imagination.
I've received spam from net4u customers to domains I previously managed, I contacted Net4u to advise them of this ( abuse(a)net4u.co.nz) but have never received any response.
I was also informed of a 'hole' in their security through which anyone can log into the net4u network and gain free ADSL service by use of an 'admin' account, I emailed the administrator of net4u to advise of this but despite sending two emails I never received a response and (I just tested) the hole still seems to be wide open.
I'm glad you see the spam from Net4u as a bad thing as even though the operators of Net4u are (reasonably) new to the game, in this 'net enabled' age even the newest player has no excuse for thinking that unsolicited
commercial email to a soa address is a good idea, the same goes for their previous dubious actions.
You can feel free to view comments like these as 'pettiness' but I for one am glad to be informed of the actions (or inaction) of New Zealand ISPs even if the observations are at times coloured by external factors.