> Someone with some spare hands on their time needs to lobby
> the government to make peering in NZ legislation.
> Although TNZ and TCNZ will be wearing a lot of the network
> costs in terms of trunking traffic up and down the country,
> they also have most of the customers - so I think that's fair
> and justified.
Yes it is good idea.
So why not also make the Govt responsible for the trunking between
peering sites as well?
ISPs could still organise private peering for priority traffic in this
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Whitmore [mailto:email@example.com]
> Sent: Friday, 28 May 2004 12:33 p.m.
> To: 'NZNOG Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [nznog] Indian government plans Internet exchanges
> Why don't they just (like a lot of other people do), Advertise their
> Auckland networks via APE only and their Wellington Networks
> via WIX only.
> Then they wouldn't be providing transit down the country.
> Advertising the Entire Clear Network via APE and the Entire
> Clear Networks
> via WIX is the problem.
The use of BGP communities would help solve their problems regarding routing ingress and egress points.
Pity it isn't more widely used.....
Transits can be filtered by community tag within an AS, and most major vendors support using bgp communities in this way
This URL points to the incoming Indian governments 10 point agenda form
IT - http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2004/104052609.asp
In particular, see point 5:
5. Plan to connect all ISPs in India to a national internet exchange in
order to achieve efficient internet traffic routing, cost reduction and
improve quality of service for the Internet users in India.
Four Internet exchanges points to be fully operationalised. Small and
big ISPs to route their traffic through this exchange to ensure the
security of domestic traffic. Currently, 25 ISPs are connected.
Note the reasons for doing this especially "improve quality of service
for the Internet users".
as you probably have noticed, netlantis is down since a while. Netlantis had
critical performance problems and we decided to re-write some of the core
scripts to improve the DB update. While doing this we had some new ideas
about how to process the updates and much more has been re-written.
There are no new features for the users, just the core-system works on a
different way and all the BGP updates queuing problems will be gone.
"What's new then ?"
netlantis is running now since several weeks its own BGP daemon called
(guess) nbgpd. So far it works well and has pretty nice performance (able to
handle up to 500 full BGP sessions (tested up to 100)). "nbgpd" is dumping
updates into files (per peer, per timestamp) in its own (simple) binary
The updates are then sent to "ndb" (netlantis DB manager) which is a fast
"routing table status file updater". This also runs since several weeks.
the last difficulty is to convert this "ndb" format for the SQL database (to
handle all the web/whois/telnet queries).
So far we wrote the MySQL (MyISAM format) data file properly.
"So? why isnt it up yet ????"
We still have a last part to finish, writing the MySQL (MyISAM format) index
file. Once this step completed, netlantis will come back up!
"What's the difference for the lambda user??"
Reliable informations! Until now, "global cisco bug upgrade worldwide in the
world" made netlantis to go booom due to the high load of bgp updates. This
will no more happen. We expect to have a delay to "real-time" of about 10 to
15 minutes, with few or many BGP updates, it wont matter!
"Well, I dont care about your internal stuff, when will it be back????"
We expect to bring netlantis back during the next week. We will inform you
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... where all the routes meet
Does anyone know the current extents of the Tangent/Vector fibre in
Auckland? More specifically how far away is it from the Ponsonby end of
Hopetoun Street. I'm trying to find out how far away it is and whether
it's an option or not, but Vector are being difficult...
Network & Systems
OTL Software Ltd
On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 01:53, Craig Spiers wrote:
> We could all possibly grab every redundant 10mbit hub in NZ and connect them
> down SH1 through the north island and call it CountryLink ?
> Add up all those offcuts of Cat5 plus these redundant hubs, we could start
> our own national ISP with VoIP ;)
A bit more viable - has anyone checked out the Helios project. Granted
it crashed but NASA is prototyping a few newer and better ones.
NASA Helios - remotely piloted, solar powered, extreme high altitude
aircraft capable of carying a payload simillar to a small satelite. Uses
Fuel Cells to store power generated by solar panels. It is designed to
stay in the air forever. Wing Span approximately the size of a B-52
Bomber. Cost if I rememebr right was a couple million dollars. But that
is a fraction of what running fibre all the way down SH1 would cost.
Here is the link
> NZNOG mailing list
Little story here by Juha:
Looks like Telecom and Telstra are trying to put on a squeeze in order to
make a couple more thousand per month.
I'm a little surprised at the timing, Telecom has a bit of an
advantage right now since it's got a monopoly on ADSL bandwidth but
bitstream is only a few months away (allegedly) so it's going to be a lot
easier for ADSL customers to switch pretty soon.
Telstra doesn't even have that sort of leverage.
I'd advise companies that are currently not connected to WIX or APE and
are instead replying on the two companies above to deliver their National
bandwidth to keep close tabs on things.
If it suddenly costs ISPs thousands of dollars to send traffic to your
site then the ISP (or whatever) is going to start looking hard are their
benefits in the relationship (and remember this thousands is going to
Telecom/Telstra not you).
People like TVNZ . The Herald, TV3 etc who want to deliver bandwidth
intensive content should take note especially. ISPs won't be able to
afford to let customers watch your content all day if they are paying real
money for a Telecom or Telstra circuit. And the circuit they do buy will
be as small as possible.
And remember if you connect to APE or WIX you have the choice of
additional International bandwidth suppliers which will at least give you
the chance to negotiate your next International bill down a little even if
you stay with your existing Telco.
It's a shame that Telecom and Telstra are basicly telling the Xtra and
Paradise customers that the customers access to fast National content is
less important than making a few thousand extra ( $50,000 tops, maybe ) on
National bandwidth charges.
Much as some sites don't offer bandwidth intensive services to
International users they might be soon forced to not offer them to some
(or all) National users.
Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz
"To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
Does someone happen to have a used Allied Telesys twin-fibre
(100base-FX) to rj45 (100base-TX) media converter for lend or sale?
We are having issues with our telstraclear circuit link and telstraclear
keep throwing us the same brand different model converter.
We have had issues with two media converters now and I wish to
experiment with another brand (specifically Allied Telesys, as word of
advice from a technician at Inspire who solved their issues)
Can you please contact me off list or onlist to discuss any others that
have had the same problems with these Transition media convertors.
>From: "Drew Broadley" <drew(a)corrupt.co.nz>
>We could all possibly grab every redundant 10mbit hub
>in NZ and connect them down SH1 through the north island
>and call it CountryLink ?
OK, CityLink now runs CountryLink, and every NZ ISP is connected via a
single peering exchange.
CountyLink should then write to TelestraClear explaining the change in
topology and how much it is going to cost TelstraClear to connect to
CountryLink for "Domestic Peering", a per MB charge would seem appropriate.