Anybody else observed that bigben gained about 19 years at about 1:25pm
Tue Jan 1 14:54:33 NZDT 2002
$ /usr/sbin/ntpdate -q truechimer.waikato.ac.nz
server 220.127.116.11, stratum 2, offset -0.001089, delay 0.04276
1 Jan 14:49:38 ntpdate: adjust time server 18.104.22.168 offset
$ /usr/sbin/ntpdate -q bigben.clix.net.nz
server 22.214.171.124, stratum 1, offset 619315199.998172, delay 0.03613
1 Jan 14:49:55 ntpdate: step time server 126.96.36.199 offset
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It looks like there are lot of NZ based Zombies sending very large amounts
of Spam ( much of it in German) to some ISPs.
This has really been going hard over the last hour.
I'm seeing adsl accounts at xtra, iprolink and ihug, xtra dialups etc etc.
As a related issue, how do people feel about a whitelist RBL of NZ mail
servers, It looks like it's not good to just whitelist NZ IPs
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A number of people are reporting difficulties accessing the Debian mirror
FTPing in from IHUG or Max (and apparently from Xtra, and I'd guess
anyone else who transits via GGI) gets the following message:
550- ISP Routing Error
550- Your ISP's access to local New Zealand content is currently
550- broken. Please contact your ISP and advise them that they
550- may well be able to fix this problem for you by peering with
550- the route servers and/or other ISPs at the APE or the WIX.
550- The server you have connected to is not within New Zealand.
550- In order to protect you from prohibitive international
550- traffic charges, you will not be able to access the resources
550- you were looking for, here.
550- We apologise for any inconvenience.
Now, we all expect Xtra/Telecom to play nasty games with domestic traffic,
but can anyone shed light on why "good" ISPs such as the Hug or Max aren't
doing the domestic peering thing? Are we starting to see preemptive
peering termination by ISPs who're preparing for the day when the two Ts
stop playing the game?
On the other side, are we now seeing a trend towards content providers
playing a political game to try and reverse the swing away from peering?
Obviously Citylink are far more involved at the peering level than nearly
any other content provider, but blocking access to content mirrors under
the guise of protecting the consumer(when in reality it's protecting the
provider) is not a good way to make friends.
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We're connected directly to GGI, what are our options (if any) for
peering with APE/WIX?
[don't ask, we have more politics than the Behive...]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Poole [mailto:email@example.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:38 AM
> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
> Subject: [nznog] Routing funky-ness to WIX via GGI?
> A number of people are reporting difficulties accessing the
> Debian mirror
> at ftp.citylink.
> FTPing in from IHUG or Max (and apparently from Xtra, and I'd guess
> anyone else who transits via GGI) gets the following message:
> 550- ISP Routing Error
> 550- Your ISP's access to local New Zealand content is currently
> 550- broken. Please contact your ISP and advise them that they
> 550- may well be able to fix this problem for you by peering with
> 550- the route servers and/or other ISPs at the APE or the WIX.
> 550- The server you have connected to is not within New Zealand.
> 550- In order to protect you from prohibitive international
> 550- traffic charges, you will not be able to access the resources
> 550- you were looking for, here.
> 550- We apologise for any inconvenience.
> Now, we all expect Xtra/Telecom to play nasty games with
> domestic traffic,
> but can anyone shed light on why "good" ISPs such as the Hug
> or Max aren't
> doing the domestic peering thing? Are we starting to see preemptive
> peering termination by ISPs who're preparing for the day when
> the two Ts
> stop playing the game?
> On the other side, are we now seeing a trend towards content providers
> playing a political game to try and reverse the swing away
> from peering?
> Obviously Citylink are far more involved at the peering level
> than nearly
> any other content provider, but blocking access to content
> mirrors under
> the guise of protecting the consumer(when in reality it's
> protecting the
> provider) is not a good way to make friends.
> NZNOG mailing list
I would have thought that taking users to the content is a
far better approach in this instance.
Mirroring the content at APE serves only to strengthen the
Auckland-centric nature of the NZ internet.
> > Well what about hosting a mirror in APE? If anyone
could provide the
> > space in Sky tower I have a spare box which could be
used for an APE
> > mirror and I don't mind maintaining it. Still getting
the data from WIX
> > to APE would incur a cost somewhere and seeing as my
Orcon link also
> > seems to route international, this isn't a
> I've asked the Same as well..
In message <Pine.LNX.4.56.0406301004510.32463(a)babylon.blakjak.net>, Matthew Poole writes:
>On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Matthew Poole wrote:
>Which is doubly frustrating, since it means that nobody who wants anything
>faster than a 128k connection in the vast majority of the country has any
>chance to use peered traffic - Cable=Paradise=TelstraClear, and
>Jetstream fullrate or Jetstream Surf=Telecom.
FWIW, it is possible to reach the (WIX-based) ftp.citylink.co.nz server
from Paradise/TelstraClear cable:
-=- cut here -=-
ewen@basilica:~ $ ftp ftp.citylink.co.nz
Connected to ftp.citylink.co.nz.
220 (vsFTPd 1.2.1)
Name (ftp.citylink.co.nz:ewen): anonymous
331 Please specify the password.
230 Login successful.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Here comes the directory listing.
-rw-r--r-- 1 1004 1004 53894917 Jun 15 2003 OOo_188.8.131.52_Win32Intel_install.zip
lrwxrwxrwx 1 1004 1004 7 May 26 09:44 OpenBSD -> openbsd
drwxr-xr-x 12 1004 1004 1032 Jun 29 11:19 backports
drwxr-xr-x 9 1004 1004 512 Jun 28 19:33 debian
drwxr-xr-x 6 1004 1004 264 Nov 20 2003 debian-non-US
drwxr-xr-x 5 1004 1004 192 Jun 29 16:02 debian-security
-=- cut here -=-
So if you do have a choice between Paradise/TelstraClear cable and
Jetstream and reaching the Citylink FTP server is important to you,
you may wish to take that into account.
Providers of high volume free content (such as the Citylink FTP server)
are left in a somewhat difficult position -- either they do something like
this (ie offer it on WIX for anyone who can reach WIX), or they somehow
try to find enough money to pay for big enough links to reach everyone,
or they just give up and don't offer anything at all.
Given how popular ftp.citylink.co.nz probably is, and how much traffic
that likely involves, I doubt that (after paying for all the mirroring
costs, admin time, etc) Citylink's generosity can extend to paying for
"domestic transit" links to all the people who might want to use it.
Offering it free on WIX to anyone that can reach it seems like the next
best thing to me. The "the content is here, come and get it" incentive
is just an added bonus over the link cost savings.
And I for one am pleased they chose to continue offering the FTP site
even if access is not as NZ wide as it was before. Downloading at
2Mbps (Paradise cable) or 100Mbps (WIX) sure beats slower international
> Well what about hosting a mirror in APE? If anyone could provide the
> space in Sky tower I have a spare box which could be used for an APE
> mirror and I don't mind maintaining it. Still getting the data from WIX
> to APE would incur a cost somewhere and seeing as my Orcon link also
> seems to route international, this isn't a possibility.
I have a box already at orcon doing mirror of a fair few things already - i
have the drive space for more easily
Thinking of this whole routing issue. What's going to happen with the F
If I remember correctly Telstra Clear helped make it happen and
sponsored something (Maybe bandwidth or rack space?), what will happen
here. Seeing as Telstra will be dropping links to APE, I'm guessing all
their customers will be routing internationally for their F-root?