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Operations Engineering | ideas.
Integration & Services Division +-----------------------
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Having previously been listed on the SORBS list, I can say from personal
experience that trying to get any information from them is like trying
to draw blood from a stone. You just give up - there is quite literally
nothing you can do. The legal stuff on their site says something like
"you are not supposed to block access based on information on this
site", yet that is exactly why their site has been created. That's
their legal 'get out' to avoid all liability.
Their attitude stinks. They are quite happy to cripple your business
for days/weeks at a time and their response time after an issue has been
resolved is pathetic.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: neil gardner [mailto:neil.gardner@alliedtelesyn.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:12
To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
Subject: [nznog] SORBs blacklisting Paradise MTAs
Hi gents (and gentesses)
I reported to Paradise that Sorbs was blacklisting a particular Paradise
MTA last night (details below) and their response was that sorbs refuse
to whitelist them so there's nothing they can do about it...
The further state that "SORBS automatically delist the servers after a
48 hour time period, and mail passing through the once affected mail
server should flow as per normal." yet the information pasted below
seems to indicate that the particular IP I reported has been on the list
since Dec 11th 2005.
They're spinning me a line right? The Sorbs record hasn't been updated
since Dec 11th!
*--- Info from sorbs as of 5 minutes ago *---
Address: 203.96.152.180
Record Created: Sun Dec 11 13:53:04 2005 GMT
Record Updated: Sun Dec 11 13:53:04 2005 GMT
Additional Information: Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz
(bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.180]) by vampire.isux.com (Postfix)
with
ESMTP id 58986B90C; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:52:40 +0000 (UTC)
Currently active and flagged to be published in DNS
*--- end info from sorbs *---
Why would Paradise deliberately avoid resolving this issue when pointed
out to them? If anyone from Paradise / Telstraclear would like to jump
in and explain why your helpdesker effectively refused to do anything
about the situation then I'm all ears.
Yes, I did report to Paradise through the appropriate mechanism, then I
replied to their automated response, then this morning I phoned to
report it and had my number taken (no-one has phoned back) and a few
minutes ago I received the reply to the original message saying they
can't do anything.
Cheers - Neil G
Neil Gardner
Product Manager
Allied Telesyn Research Ltd
New Zealand
+64 3 339-9509 (ph)
+64 3 339-3001 (fax)
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> From: David Robb [mailto:ender@paradise.gen.nz]
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 10:18 a.m.
> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
> Subject: [nznog] NZNOG conference
>
> Is there any further information available for this? ie
> costs, who else is
> speaking?
>
> I'm going to need to make a decision very soon as to whether
> or not I can
> justify my attendance.
As to who is speaking, we've run into a problem with a number of
speakers agreeing to provide abstracts to go on the web site, then not
getting around to providing them. You know who you are.
Among our more virtuous speakers are
Mark Foster Bridging the Gap Between Support and the
NOC
Richard Hulse The Economics of Peering
Peter Komisarczuk Location Determination for WLAN and 3G
Hamish MacEwan Peering - The Customer Perspective
Ian McDonald TCP Congestion Control
Andrew McMillan Extending SPF to include policy for TLS
Dean Pemberton Investigations into Internet Background
Radiation
Geoff Scrimgeour Welcome to The Loop
Scott Walsh Network Security through Firewall
Segregation
Bill Woodcock Building Global Content-Distribution Networks
I expect to announce more during the coming week.
- Donald Neal
Donald Neal |"I'm busy. I have papers to read,
Support Engineer |reports to write, bosses to
NGN Operations |infuriate." - Lt. Giardello
Integration & Services Division +-----------------------------------
Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager
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Dear Colleague,
This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database
which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have
been added, deleted or changed.
These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route
servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant
servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading
of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that
if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you
can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and
consequently a full set of routes.
---
PREVIOUS OBJECT:
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192.133.31.0/24^24-29,
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202.36.226.0/24^24-29,
202.50.247.0/24^24-29
admin-c: RPA1-NZRR
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mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ
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202.53.176.0/20^20-29,
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202.50.52.0/22^22-29,
202.50.196.0/22^22-29,
202.59.4.0/22^22-29,
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202.49.80.0/23^23-29,
202.124.106.0/23^23-29,
192.88.85.0/24^24-29,
192.133.31.0/24^24-29,
202.20.97.0/24^24-29,
202.27.208.0/24^24-29,
202.36.183.0/24^24-29,
202.36.226.0/24^24-29,
202.50.247.0/24^24-29,
203.97.5.0/24^24-29
admin-c: RPA1-NZRR
tech-c: RPA1-NZRR
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notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
notify: noc-minor(a)fx.net.nz
mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ
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PREVIOUS OBJECT:
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descr: advertised to AS9560 by FX Networks - AS9503
members: 131.203.0.0/16^16-29,
161.29.0.0/16^16-29,
161.65.0.0/16^16-29,
202.50.208.0/20^20-29,
202.53.176.0/20^20-29,
202.174.160.0/20^20-29,
202.50.200.0/21^21-29,
202.50.52.0/22^22-29,
202.50.196.0/22^22-29,
202.59.4.0/22^22-29,
202.37.86.0/23^23-29,
202.49.80.0/23^23-29,
202.124.106.0/23^23-29,
192.88.85.0/24^24-29,
192.133.31.0/24^24-29,
202.27.208.0/24^24-29,
202.36.183.0/24^24-29,
202.36.226.0/24^24-29,
202.50.247.0/24^24-29
admin-c: RPA1-NZRR
tech-c: RPA1-NZRR
notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net
notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
notify: noc-minor(a)fx.net.nz
mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ
changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20050901
source: NZRR
REPLACED BY:
route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS9503
descr: advertised to AS9560 by FX Networks - AS9503
members: 131.203.0.0/16^16-29,
161.29.0.0/16^16-29,
161.65.0.0/16^16-29,
202.50.208.0/20^20-29,
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202.174.160.0/20^20-29,
202.50.200.0/21^21-29,
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202.59.4.0/22^22-29,
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192.88.85.0/24^24-29,
192.133.31.0/24^24-29,
202.20.97.0/24^24-29,
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202.36.183.0/24^24-29,
202.36.226.0/24^24-29,
202.50.247.0/24^24-29,
203.97.5.0/24^24-29
admin-c: RPA1-NZRR
tech-c: RPA1-NZRR
notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net
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mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ
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source: NZRR
Hi gents (and gentesses)
I reported to Paradise that Sorbs was blacklisting a particular Paradise MTA last night (details below) and their response was that sorbs refuse to whitelist them so there's nothing they can do about it...
The further state that "SORBS automatically delist the servers after a 48 hour time period, and mail passing through the once affected mail server should flow as per normal." yet the information pasted below seems to indicate that the particular IP I reported has been on the list since Dec 11th 2005.
They're spinning me a line right? The Sorbs record hasn't been updated since Dec 11th!
*--- Info from sorbs as of 5 minutes ago *---
Address: 203.96.152.180
Record Created: Sun Dec 11 13:53:04 2005 GMT
Record Updated: Sun Dec 11 13:53:04 2005 GMT
Additional Information: Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz
(bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.180]) by vampire.isux.com (Postfix) with
ESMTP id 58986B90C; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:52:40 +0000 (UTC)
Currently active and flagged to be published in DNS
*--- end info from sorbs *---
Why would Paradise deliberately avoid resolving this issue when pointed out to them? If anyone from Paradise / Telstraclear would like to jump in and explain why your helpdesker effectively refused to do anything about the situation then I'm all ears.
Yes, I did report to Paradise through the appropriate mechanism, then I replied to their automated response, then this morning I phoned to report it and had my number taken (no-one has phoned back) and a few minutes ago I received the reply to the original message saying they can't do anything.
Cheers - Neil G
Neil Gardner
Product Manager
Allied Telesyn Research Ltd
New Zealand
+64 3 339-9509 (ph)
+64 3 339-3001 (fax)
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If it's any help - and I'd expect most people here to know this anyway -
Paradise pop up on RBL's so often, I've had to add a whitelist for them
in my system, or most of the people I know (who use cable) get blocked.
This isn't a new thing at all. :)
Cheers
Nic
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neil gardner [mailto:neil.gardner@alliedtelesyn.co.nz]
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 2:12 p.m.
> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
> Subject: [nznog] SORBs blacklisting Paradise MTAs
>
> Hi gents (and gentesses)
>
> I reported to Paradise that Sorbs was blacklisting a
> particular Paradise MTA last night (details below) and their
> response was that sorbs refuse to whitelist them so there's
> nothing they can do about it...
>
> The further state that "SORBS automatically delist the
> servers after a 48 hour time period, and mail passing through
> the once affected mail server should flow as per normal." yet
> the information pasted below seems to indicate that the
> particular IP I reported has been on the list since Dec 11th 2005.
>
In light of recent enquiries,
The Organising Committee for NZNOG 06 can confirm that the
rates-per-person for attendance at NZNOG06 are likely to be in the
ballpark of $250/person.
If anything they will wind up lower than this, as sponsorship arrangements
are finalised, etc.
Note: This does NOT include accomodation, but it does include morning
coffee, lunch, and afternoon tea, as well as the conference dinner.
More info as it comes to hand; this info will be added to the nznog.org
site when I get somewhere that allows SSH out its firewall. :)
I hope this info is enough for people to get their respective managers
approvals for our excellent-value-for-money event. The guest-speaker list
will be further updated tonight as well, so take a peek at nznog.org
tomorrow for the latest.
Cheers
Mark,
For the NZNOG Organising Committee.
The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king,
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Conference
Our next conference is to be held in Wellington on 22-24 March, 2006.
That's the week before the scheduled ICANN meeting. See
http://www.nznog.org/ for more information. The most recent speakers to
be confirmed are Mike Hughes, CTO of London Internet Exchange and Arron
Scott of Cisco New Zealand.
Other Meetings
See http://auckland.thursdaynightcurry.com/ or
http://wellington.thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near
Auckland or Wellington.
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technical information and the discussion of implementation issues
that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers.
In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of
relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the
following guidelines.
1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical
issues.
2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is
appropriate.
3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate.
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5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and
lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable.
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discouraged.
8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as
text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To
present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For
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offending list user, and should not result in complaints being
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Hi there
Has anyone got any information on Global Web Productions and the NZ
Commerce Comissions Involvement with them in getting them shut down
in 1994 with the US CAN-SPAM? Seaching on the web and on the comcom
website I cannot find any information at all what involvement they (the
comcom)
had or what they did or who the people in New Zealand where.
Thanks
Craig
Dear Colleague,
This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database
which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have
been added, deleted or changed.
These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route
servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant
servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading
of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that
if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you
can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and
consequently a full set of routes.
---
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AND NOT fltr-bogons
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