Initially those transit providers and ISPs that do offer IPv6 transit
will be able to charge for this service as it will be a premium value
add. However I can't see this business model being able to last for
more than 6 years (through to 2012), and possibly only three years.
After this point in time I expect IPv6 deployment will be standard, and
will no longer be a premium service offering - it will be the standard
offering, like IPv4 is today. Once IPv4 has become exhausted and you
can't actually give a customer an IPv4 address then you definitely wont
be able to charge more for IPv6 - otherwise the customer will walk.
So do providers start implementing slowly now, and recoup some of their
investment while they can, or wait till they are forced to do the
upgrades and are not able to recoup any of their "new" investment.
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on February 2nd to 4th, 2005. See http://www.nznog.org/ for more
information, including the Call For Presentations. Offers to present are
due in by 22nd October, and all presenters
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We've ended up with a couple of spare rooms for NZNOG '07
accommodation (Tue - Fri nights).
So if you'd been hoping to secure some accommodation but didn't get
it sorted before the deadline, here is your chance!
Send your details through to dave(a)staff.inspire.net.nz if you wish to
take advantage of this.
See you in Palmerston North,
Do any members present have any feelings about domain names that have
misleading or ommited core/required contact details?
I refer to cults.co.nz - a controversial religious themed website - though the
issue at hand here is their whois, not their content.
This may be a breach of rule 7.1 of the DNC's publication "Registering,
Managing and Cancelling domain names" which reads-
7.1 When registering a new domain name the registrar will supply the following
* Domain name.
* Name server list.
* Registrant contact details.
* Administrative contact details.
* Technical contact details.
* Billing term.
Also the registrar involved may be in breach of section 8.1 which reads-
8.1 Registrars will be required to maintain the details of the domain names
for which they are the registrar. They will be able to amend/update the
Name Server List.
Registrant Contact Details.
Registrant Customer ID.
Administrative Contact Details.
Technical Contact Details.
While the specifics as to whether this is a technical breach or not should be
determined by the DNC and what I have stated above is only an opinion,. this
is still a practice I feel should not be permitted to take hold in New
The publication mentioned is located at:
Reminder: The nznog meet this year is at Massey University Campus,
Palmerston North starting on 31 January to 2 February 2007.
InspireNet is hosting this year.
To those of you already going, check out wiki.nznog.org
I know there's a whole lot more ppl who are attending but not found the
wiki yet. Don't worry about reading the rest of this email.
To those not attending:
I urge you to consider coming to the conference. It isn't too late to
register for it. I hope no one was put off by the "deadlines" mentioned
in earlier posts. Registrations are still being accepted.
If you don't know much about it check out www.nznog.org
The programme will include:
* AS-Path analysis: Testing claims of "tier-1" status and examining BGP
routing anomalies by Gaurab Upadhaya, Packet Clearing House (PCH)
* Connecting the dots: Graph theory, Telecom Policy, & Internet
Evolution by Tom Vest, UC San Diego Supercomputer Center (CAIDA)
* Open Source VoIP Platform in Carrier Environments by James Jones, Virtual Realm Software
* Dealing with Joe-jobs (spam backscatter attacks) by Simon Howard, DMZGlobal Ltd
* Network Control Planes: Subscriber authentication, authorization, and
accounting, network policy deployment and enforcement, and a look at
solutions to do that by Alastair Johnson, Alcatel-Lucent
On the Wednesday we have
* APNIC Internet Resource Management Essentials tutorial.
* Microtik RouterOS Training
* MPLS and fixed access networks for beginners
* Sysadmin Day for sysadmins who work at ISPs.
Sessions will be recorded. There are plans to stream the sessions as
well BUT one never knows when Murphy's law will strike. Information
will be available on the wiki regarding the streams etc when we have
The conference is more than just the sessions. It is the people you meet
and the links made for future cooperation. Attached is a document that
will hopefully help anyone attempting to apply for permission to attend
NZNOG at this stage. Perhaps one method is to compare the cost of
attending NZNOG with attending training courses. Hopefully it isn't too
late for you.
Have a good weekend!
Does anyone know the outcome of the ENUM trial in NZ (by InternetNZ), or
is it still going?
I've researched it a bit, but it seems the trial has ended (or maybe I
just haven't searched hard enough ;)).
Any info on ENUM in New Zealand or a pointer in the right direction
would be great.
Apologies for duplicate postings
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Apnic-announce] New APNIC IPv4 address ranges
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:00:03 +1000
APNIC received the following IPv4 address blocks from IANA in Jan
2007 and will be making allocations from these ranges in the near
APNIC has made this announcement to enable the Internet community
to update network configurations, such as routing filters, where
Routability testing of new prefixes will commence on Friday
January 19 2007. The daily report will be published at the usual
For more information on the resources administered by APNIC,
For information on the minimum allocation sizes within address
ranges administered by APNIC, please see:
Guangliang Pan email: helpdesk(a)apnic.net
Resources Services Manager sip: helpdesk(a)voip.apnic.net
APNIC phone: +61 7 3858 3188
http://www.apnic.net/ fax: +61 7 3858 3199
Apnic-announce mailing list
"The Amsterdam Internet Exchange (AMS-IX) is claiming to be the world's
largest public Internet exchange, after setting a new traffic record
earlier this month of 233Gbit/s. It says it now shifts more than 1.5
Petabytes a day, on behalf of over 250 ISPs and carriers."
How do our IX's compare? Obviously we won't be even close, a state of
affairs not aided in any way by certain policies of certain telcos, but
it'd be interesting to know how much traffic does actually traverse, in
particular, APE and WIX.
"Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
Getting to NZNOG
If you are flying down from Auckland AND with to get there by the
start of tutorials on Wed, the only way is to fly in on Tues evening.
The first flight for Auckland - PN will mean you'll be a little bit
Alternatively you can fly to Wellington and catch a ride from someone
to PN (read below).
I have set up a few wiki pages for NZNOG 07 to help people coordinate
their activities. There was no point setting up a wiki just for these
few days. I just used the auckland TNC wiki.
Anyway start from:
Basically I have set up sections like Transport and Dinners. Set up your
own pages if you want more pages. I have no idea if anyone will find it
useful. It was worth trying this once.
* This is for people who want rides from anywhere to PN.
* There's a page for people who can perhaps save $$ by sharing taxi
from the airport to Massey.
* I have started up pages for Wellington - PN and Auckland to PN. List
there if you have space in your car or are looking for a ride
* I've included in the transport page for AUckland to PN the link to the
Thrifty car rental that has a good relocation deal. Ie you only pay
petrol for hiring car from PN to Auckland.
We are having a curry dinner on Wed evening. If you can make it, add
your name to it. This isn't restricted to nznog conference attendees
only. Anyone who can make it is welcome.
It appears a few people are arriving on Tuesday evening. So a page
to list who is going to be around etc.