Initially those transit providers and ISPs that do offer IPv6 transit
will be able to charge for this service as it will be a premium value
add. However I can't see this business model being able to last for
more than 6 years (through to 2012), and possibly only three years.
After this point in time I expect IPv6 deployment will be standard, and
will no longer be a premium service offering - it will be the standard
offering, like IPv4 is today. Once IPv4 has become exhausted and you
can't actually give a customer an IPv4 address then you definitely wont
be able to charge more for IPv6 - otherwise the customer will walk.
So do providers start implementing slowly now, and recoup some of their
investment while they can, or wait till they are forced to do the
upgrades and are not able to recoup any of their "new" investment.
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As many of you know, I've been working on building some little
tunnelling appliances to push IPv6 over IPv4 using well known
protocols (6to4 and Teredo).
Both 6to4 and Teredo benefit from having relays in as many places as
possible. Cisco currently supports 6to4. I'm not sure if anyone else
does. Noone supports Teredo.
With both 6to4 and Teredo being built in and enabled by default on
Vista (and enable-able on XP SP2), the amount of tunnelled IPv6
traffic on the Internet is increasing. I recently posted on the v6ops
IETF mailing list about Azureus's support for IPv6 - when I use this
client, over half of my DHT peers are IPv6 peers, and 99% of them were
over tunnelled IPv6, either with 6to4 or Teredo.
So, in light of this, I've put together a small FreeBSD based image
for Soekris hardware. This does Teredo and 6to4, and also BGP. It does
some funky tricks to hook all of these boxes together, tunnelling over
IPv4. So, you get interconnection with many other networks over IPv4
best paths and existing IPv4 transit. I'm also expecting to be able to
get you on to the v6IX (Citylink's IPv6 peering) as well if you (or
your transit provider) are an existing IPv4 peer at APE or WIX.
This software will be freely available when it's ready.
Here's the best bit:
Thanks to InternetNZ, I'll soon have have 6 boxes to do a live test of
the code, and hopefully more down the line when it's ready to go for
So, I'm looking for people who are running networks that fit one (or
more) of the following:
- Large numbers of end users
- Lots of content on IPv6 (yeah, I'm dreaming)
- Universities (or other large private networks)
It doesn't matter if you have some IPv6 deployed, or if you only have
IPv4 deployed, or if you haven't even thought about IPv6 deployment yet.
What I need from you:
- A shelf somewhere, and an IEC C13 (a.k.a. jug plug) cable/outlet.
- An IPv4 address or two.
- A 10/100 ethernet port (or two if you're keen on resiliency).
- The ability to statically route a couple of IPv4 addresses at your
- Also useful (but not necessary!) is an IPv6 allocation, and some
form of transit internationally (a free IPv6 tunnel from somewhere
overseas is fine- native transit isn't required)
What you get:
- 6to4 relay
- Teredo relay
- IPv6 interconnection to other people with these boxes
- If it breaks, you might end up with customer IPv6 traffic being
impacted. (ie. not that much impact at all, right now)
I'm working right now on some deployment pictures and all that noise,
so there's more info coming.
Please let me know if you're interested, or if you're interested but
have some concerns, or, whatever.
I'm wanting to get boxes in fairly soon - ie. before xmas brownouts.
Integration is pretty minimal if you have an IPv4 network - plug in
and point a route or two. It's only slightly more if you have an IPv6
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:43:32AM +1300, Paul Adshead wrote:
> Are any others being affected by the fools who have registered "com.co.nz"?
> It's been setup as a 'catch all' search engine, for the 'append parent DNS
> suffix' queries. So a lookup on "abcd.com" that should fail, comes back
> successful from "abcd.com.co.nz"... :-(
I add a line
in /etc/resolv.conf in my mail servers to fix this sort of stuff.
All email addresses should be fully qualified.
Are any others being affected by the fools who have registered "com.co.nz"?
It's been setup as a 'catch all' search engine, for the 'append parent DNS
suffix' queries. So a lookup on "abcd.com" that should fail, comes back
successful from "abcd.com.co.nz"... :-(
The IANA IPv4 registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of
two /8 IPv4 blocks to APNIC in October 2007: 144/8 and 115/8. You can
find the IANA IPv4 registry at:
Please update your filters as appropriate.
Manager, Number Resources - IANA
This is to notify you that one or more objects in which you are
designated for notification have been modified in the NZRR routing
These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers
(http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded
in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a
period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an
exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and
consequently a full set of routes.
descr: advertised to AS9560 by Orcon Internet Ltd - AS17746
changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070928
descr: advertised to AS9560 by Orcon Internet Ltd - AS17746
changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20071029
The following came into the info (at) nznog email address. Usually such
things make their way to the recycle bin (it used to be the deleted, but
we've gone PC /and/ green). This one looked like it might be of
interest to someone and possibly even on topic for the list, so if it is
something of interest to you please contact the person directly.
If I'm wrong please flame me without regard for my feelings (as feeling
are definitely off topic :^)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Academic Study - Telephone Interview
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:54:33 +1300
From: Juan Gan <ganju908 (at) student.otago.ac.nz>
To: info (at) nznog.org
My name is Juan-Jim Gan and I am a student at the University of Otago. I
am currently conducting a study on the Telecommunication Policymaking in
New Zealand ─ specifically dealing with issues of the LLU (Local
Loop Unbundling). While conducting my research, I stumbled upon NZNOG - an
online community of network operators, predominantly in the Internet and
Online Services area. This study could benefit from getting feedback from
people within this community (people who are either directly or indirectly
related to the LLU).
I would like to ask for your permission to talk to someone from this
community [via a short telephone interview] with regards to their view on
the LLU. The participant could be anyone with an interest in the LLU.
Information gathered from this interview could be very valuable for my
study on the LLU. I would really appreciate it if you [or anyone from the
community] agree to participate in this study. Participation in this study
is entirely voluntary and you may choose not to participate or to withdraw
your consent to be in the study, for any reason, at any time. Materials
gathered from this interview will not be published.
If you are interested in taking part in this study, please contact me via
e-mail to arrange a suitable time to conduct the interview. My supervisor,
Dr. Michael Bourk will be supervising this study. If you have any
questions, please do not hesitate to contact either myself or Dr Bourk. Dr
Bourk could be contacted on 03 ? 479 5751 or via email at
Michael.bourk (at) otago.ac.nz. Your involvement in this study would be greatly
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