At 02:49 p.m. 16/04/2007 +1200, Neil Gardner wrote:
>Dammit - I know we've been asked to stop this, but now something
>interesting has happened...
you found the beer ?
>Richard, you, who I know has great experience in this, have posted
>figures that are UNDER my very basic but probably right theoretical
>How do you fit 3600 seconds at 128kbps into 46MB ? I get 56.25MB...
I have this ancient spreadsheet with a few assumptions....
I basically round 10bits to the byte to cover overheads in the packet, etc.
So a data rate of say 128kbps is 12.8KB per sec or 0.13Mbps
768KB per minute or 7.68Mbps
46080 KB per hour or 460.9 Mbps or 46.08
MBytes per hour
Remembering that you will get silence and various other things (outages,
etc) it will always be an approximation. It just gives you a feel for the
order of magnitude of the bill :-)
Most stations actually have a second stream in reserve for special
"promotional" occassions and they kick them into life every now and then,
just to muck up the stats.
The biggest use of it has been to work out that a 10GB plan is OK for radio
stations at 32Kbps streams. Now that 40+GB plans are out, folks are looking
at webcams again and it looks like we can stream a camera and stay inside a
40GB plan at 128k video, which isn't too bad looking.
I should probably rework the spreadsheet for HD streams at 10Mbps. It looks
like 5TB a month.
And yes, IPV6 and multicast will solve all our problems, including world
hunger and the endless shortage of beer. But I'm showing my age......
--- andy(a)nosignal.org wrote:----------------
ip is a means to an end, I don't craft packets for fun, I do work or
have fun, and ip occurs as a way to send my messages from A to B.
ding, ding, ding! From the many lists discussing these issues recently, we finally have a winner! Most folk don't care about v4, v6, v8 or v<insert stuff here>. They want to do something and they 'just want it to work'. 99.999% couldn't give less than a crap how that happens.
BTW 6,525,170,264 x .00001 = 65250
World — Population: 6,525,170,264 (July 2006 est.)
times one minus five nines
65250 is about how many of there are who do give more than a crap about how that happens. Beer...MMMM... 8-)
On 13/04/2007 4:24 p.m., Craig Whitmore wrote:
>> I'm not a porn fan myself, but from other types of media, 10G isn't that
>> Maybe if they put 1TB of porn and 1TB of free tv content from a major
>> studio, then we'd have an experiment.
Would it be better to be Geek TV (Dr Who, Firefly, etc) or Jo Public TV
(Lost, Grey's Anatomy, all 500 seasons of Coro St etc)? I think Geek TV
would get more drive for it. Like it would happen though.
> There is some content at http://www.ipv6porn.co.nz. (If you have IPv6)
Looking at http://www.v6.co.nz/ on the 'Who Provides IPv6' there's
nothing - is there an NZ provider of IPv6? I know this topic has come
up on the list before, and it usually degrades in circular discussions -
it would be nice to hear 'Yes, ISP X offers IP6 within NZ'. Without
anyone spieling on about the glories of their own wares, of course :^)
Plans for auctioning the 2.3Ghz band for BWA/WiMAX have been
I think there is a real opportunity here for some of us to get access to
spectrum. At present the lions share (or possibly all of it) will go to two or
three companies to build a nationwide network. There is also a proposal to
allocate some spectrum for regional operators under a "Managed Park". I
suspect there are quite a few people interested in this who have not yet
been in contact with RSM - it is essential that you let RSM know your
interest and you respond to this consultation document. If the vast majority
of comments come from the large providers wishing to deploy nationwide
networks then I suspect there will be little or no regional spectrum available.
I would also be grateful if you can contact me off list if you have an interest
in obtaining spectrum for regional use. I have some ideas that might help
our cause that I would like to share.
Level 2, Regency House,
1 Elizabeth Street,
P O Box 15020,
Tel: 07 5711367
Fax: 07 5711372
--- steve(a)focb.co.nz wrote:
Scott Weeks wrote:
> --- andy(a)nosignal.org wrote:----------------
> ip is a means to an end, I don't craft packets for fun, I do work or
> have fun, and ip occurs as a way to send my messages from A to B.
> ding, ding, ding! From the many lists discussing these issues
> recently, we finally have a winner! Most folk don't care about
> v4, v6, v8 or v<insert stuff here>. They want to do something
> and they 'just want it to work'. 99.999% couldn't give less
> than a crap how that happens.
: or are you saying that there are only 65,250 clueful IP/IT
: engineers in the world or people working in related fields ?
This one. Clueful IP engineers in the world that also care about the version of IP used more than leaving a crap. :-)
: Feel like citing references for your 99.999% figure ?
It was just for fun and to make the point that most people in the world just don't care how stuff moves around the internet. They just want it to get to where they tell it to go. The five nines comes from many marketing-speak droids when telling everyone that their network has 5-nines of uptime. Of course with no more details than just that... <8-0 <== that's a crazy-eyed marketing droid babbling marketing-speak.
During the NZNOG conference it was joked that if the next WoW pack
required IPv6 then IPv6 would be rolled out by the ISPs (and transit
providers) for the next morning.
See the attached mail for an experiment that might be cause it to be
rolled out for that evening...
Andrew Ruthven, Wellington, New Zealand
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More 'public park' broadband wireless spectrum released
Further radio spectrum for broadband wireless access has been made available
with changes made to the Radiocommunications (General User Radio Licence for
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