Initially those transit providers and ISPs that do offer IPv6 transit
will be able to charge for this service as it will be a premium value
add. However I can't see this business model being able to last for
more than 6 years (through to 2012), and possibly only three years.
After this point in time I expect IPv6 deployment will be standard, and
will no longer be a premium service offering - it will be the standard
offering, like IPv4 is today. Once IPv4 has become exhausted and you
can't actually give a customer an IPv4 address then you definitely wont
be able to charge more for IPv6 - otherwise the customer will walk.
So do providers start implementing slowly now, and recoup some of their
investment while they can, or wait till they are forced to do the
upgrades and are not able to recoup any of their "new" investment.
Rhetorical question.
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Can anyone help?
Since Xtra changed over its email service to Yahoo! I have had problems.
I have a server (outside of the Xtra network) that handles email for
around 50 domains.
Many of these are collection points that forward to client recipients
with @xtra.co.nz addresses.
Due to the large volume of email traffic sending to the xtra.co.nz
domain, the Yahoo servers are now blocking/grey-listing my server.
I have filled out the forms on the Yahoo website and have spoken to
Xtra. However, I have had no response from Yahoo and Xtra doesn't seem
to understand or appreciate the issue.
Is anyone else in a similar situation? Had similar issues?
Does anyone know a solution?
The response from the Yahoo servers is '451 Message temporarily
deferred' (meaning Yahoo first denies the initial attempt and waits for
a re-try).
However, none of the re-tries is accepted and the message eventually
expires.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Mike Densem
mike(a)massive.co.nz
We have just spent the last few days trying to solve an email issue,
which I am starting to think might be related to the whole yahoo changes
as the time scale is the same.
One of our clients has their ADSL through Xtra but all their other
services through us. Starting on Monday, they haven't been able to send
any email, via smtp.xtra.co.nz. We are presuming, that their outbound
addresses have contained their domain for which Xtra is neither the
registrar nor the MX of.
Debugging the issue has been particularly difficult as the customer is
not very computer literate and English is not their natural language.
We are unable to complete the diagnosis of the issue as the client has
now taken Xtra's advice ( Xtra continually maintained that we were the
problem - kind of difficult to see when the mail was coming nowhere near
us ) and have now transferred their domain to Xtra.
We had a similiar situation a while back with two client who were using
Paradise in a similiar way. There issue was more related to not being
able to have mailboxes on Paradise's servers anymore because Paradise
didn't host the domain. The solution was for us to provide the
mailboxes instead.
I would be interested if this really is an isolated case, or has Xtra
tightened up on their inbound mail policy for their own customers.
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Glen and Rosanne Eustace
GodZone Internet Services, a division of AGRE Enterprises Ltd.
P.O. Box 8020, Palmerston North, New Zealand 4446.
Ph: +64 6 357 8168, Fax +64 6 357 8165, Mob: +64 21 424 015
http://www.godzone.net.nz
"A Ministry specialising in providing low-cost Internet Services
to NZ Christian Churches, Ministries and Organisations."
Hey all,
Thanks for your responses. I literally have too many to respond to. ICONZ
has been strongly recommended and we shall be talking to them in the first
instance.
--
Skeeve Stevens, RHCE
eintellego, General Manager
skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
--
NOC, NOC, who's there?
From: Skeeve Stevens [mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net]
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 4:11 p.m.
To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
Subject: [nznog] Auckland Datacentres
Hey guys,
I'm looking for a DC in Auckland.
I know nothing about the NZ internet carrier scene - such as who has
connectivity where and so on.
But I'm looking for a DC with wired access to APE and cross-connect ability
to TNZ.
A neutral DC would be nice, but as I said, I don't know your scene over
there and if these even exist.
Is there anything else I should know?
.Skeeve
--
Skeeve Stevens, RHCE
eintellego, General Manager
skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
--
NOC, NOC, who's there?
Doing some traceroutes to the xtra mail servers, it would appear they've
moved all their mail handling to AU.
Does anyone have any idea why?
It would seem nuts to use international capacity to move all the mail
from NZ --> AU --> NZ.
Or am I (and others on some other lists) just missing something?
Cheers Don
Hey guys,
I'm looking for a DC in Auckland.
I know nothing about the NZ internet carrier scene - such as who has
connectivity where and so on.
But I'm looking for a DC with wired access to APE and cross-connect ability
to TNZ.
A neutral DC would be nice, but as I said, I don't know your scene over
there and if these even exist.
Is there anything else I should know?
.Skeeve
--
Skeeve Stevens, RHCE
eintellego, General Manager
skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
--
NOC, NOC, who's there?
Dear Colleague,
This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database
which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have
been added, deleted or changed.
These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route
servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant
servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading
of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that
if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you
can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and
consequently a full set of routes.
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PREVIOUS OBJECT:
route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS17435
descr: advertised to AS9439 by WorldxChange Communications LTD - AS17435
members: 58.28.0.0/16^16-29,
202.49.240.0/22^22-29,
202.14.217.0/24^24-29,
202.49.59.0/24^24-29,
202.50.176.0/24^24-29
admin-c: RPA1-NZRR
tech-c: RPA1-NZRR
notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net
notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
notify: lsmith(a)wxc.co.nz
mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ
changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20060120
source: NZRR
REPLACED BY:
route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS17435
descr: advertised to AS9439 by WorldxChange Communications Ltd - AS17435
members: 58.28.0.0/16^16-29,
118.90.0.0/16^16-29,
202.49.204.0/22^22-29,
202.14.217.0/24^24-29,
202.49.59.0/24^24-29,
202.50.176.0/24^24-29
admin-c: RPA1-NZRR
tech-c: RPA1-NZRR
notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net
notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
notify: cbarr(a)wxc.co.nz
mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ
changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070824
source: NZRR
---
PREVIOUS OBJECT:
route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS17435
descr: advertised to AS9560 by WorldxChange Communications LTD - AS17435
members: 58.28.0.0/16^16-29,
202.49.240.0/22^22-29,
202.14.217.0/24^24-29,
202.49.59.0/24^24-29,
202.50.176.0/24^24-29
admin-c: RPA1-NZRR
tech-c: RPA1-NZRR
notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net
notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
notify: lsmith(a)wxc.co.nz
mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ
changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20060120
source: NZRR
REPLACED BY:
route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS17435
descr: advertised to AS9560 by WorldxChange Communications Ltd - AS17435
members: 58.28.0.0/16^16-29,
118.90.0.0/16^16-29,
202.49.204.0/22^22-29,
202.14.217.0/24^24-29,
202.49.59.0/24^24-29,
202.50.176.0/24^24-29
admin-c: RPA1-NZRR
tech-c: RPA1-NZRR
notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net
notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
notify: cbarr(a)wxc.co.nz
mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ
changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070824
source: NZRR
Hi All,
Please update your prefix list for WorldxChange to include:
58.28.0.0/16
118.90.0.0/16
Please note that we will not be advertising our old range anymore;
202.182.19.0/19
Please update filters accordingly - and have a good weekend...
--
Callum Barr
Network Engineer
WorldxChange Communications Ltd.
First time I've seen a message like this. Thought other people might be
interested. Apart from the legal side of it I loved the Yahoo footer on it.
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: WHY ARE YOU INVOLVE TO BE KILLED,REPLY OR YOU WAIT FOR YOUR DEATH??
Date: Tuesday, 21 August 2007
From: Robert Payne <rbpynekill147(a)yahoo.com>
To: sblewitt(a)email.com
HELLOW,
I NORMALLY INTRODUCE MY SELF BEFORE I EXECUTE MY JOB,AM MR DON FABIANO JUTOLIO
CHICHI,AN ITALIAN CITIZEN,YOU CAN SEE THAT BY MY NAME AND AT THE SAME TIME A
HIRED ASSASSINE (AN ASSASINATOR) THAT IS MY JOB.
I LIKE TO GO STARIGHT TO THE POINT,SOME BODY PAID ME US $350,000.00 (THREE
HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND UNITED STATES OF AMERICAN DOLLAR) FOR ME TO KILL
YOU WHILE THE REMAINING BALANCE OF 150,000.00 (ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY
THOUSAND) WILL BE PAID AFTER THE JOB IS COMPLETED.
BUT BEFORE I CARRY ON MY DUTY,I NORMALLY LIKE TO HER FROM THE PERSON BEFORE HE
OR SHE WILL MEET HIS SUDDEN DEATH,I WILL LIKE YOU TO BRIEF ME THE REASON WHY
YOU ARE INVOLVED/ABOUT TO BE ASSASSINATE.
MY BOYS ARE NOW AFTER YOU,THAT IS TO SAY,THEY ARE NOW MONITORING YOUR
MOVEMENTS,8 OF THEM HAVE ARRIVED YOUR COUNTRY (THE SPIES TEAM) WHILE THE
REMAINING 7 WILL BE ARRIVED NEXT WEEK WHICH IS (THE EXECUTION TEAM)
AS SOON AS THE EXECUTION TEAM ARRIVED,CONSIDER YOUR SELF AS A DEAD PERSON
BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY OFFER OR WHAT EVER FROM YOU.I WANT TO INFORM
YOU THAT YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS MAY BE INVOLVED ONLY IF YOU MAKE THE REPROT TO
THE POLICE OR ANY ENFORMENT AGENCIES,THAT IS TO SAY,IF YOU TAKE THE MATTER TO
THE POLICE,ALL,I SAID ALL YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS WILL BE DEAD WITHIN A SHORT
TIME BECAUSE I NEVER MISS A TRAGET,I HAVE BEEN IN THE FIELD FOR GOOD 34 YEARS
AND SINCE THEN,I HAVE NEVER FAILED/DISAPPOINT ANY OF MY CUSTOMERS.
SO,BE WARNED TILL I HEAR FROM YOU IF YOU LIKE.
DON FABIANO.
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