On Fri, 28 May 2004, Russell Fulton wrote:
On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:46, Don Gould wrote:
* Who are
these ISPs that are using T&T for transit that shouldn't be?
A more fundamental question is "Are there any?" or possibly "Is anyone
doing this deliberately?". My gut feeling is that the transit issues
are just an red herring to cover a money grab.
I agree that it is a red herring too ie they are trying to use
this as an excuse to be able to generate more revenue.
In a conversaion Juha and Paul had in here, the response to "Did they
tell you where that data was destined? That is, did it go to non-TCL
networks over TCL's links, or did it go to TCL's customers in Auckland?"
was "no distinction was made".
So the possibilities are
a. TCL or TNZ are hauling traffic for networks that are not theirs.
b. TCL or TNZ are hauling traffic for network that are theirs but
in a different location. ie Packets for someone in Wgtn trying to get
to a TCL server in Auckland goes in via WIX rather than via that
person's ISP up to Auckland.
I believe a simple change to their routing policy will sort out a.
ie no real need to resort to this. If any such freeloaders exist,
their freeride would have been over very quickly (once discovered).
Of course all this makes their (TCL or TNZ) technical crew look
incompetent. Having met a few of those people, I don't think that's
true. We know who these people are. They have been at nznog meets,
talking to us etc. I can quite understand why they are not posting
as after all the decision for TCL not peering with ICONZ was a
management decision and not a technical decision.
It is perhaps b that they are trying to sort out now. Won't a routing
change sort this out. Or perhaps they should consider it part of "good
customer service" that their customer's data is delivered faster to
I don't think it is a nor b. Just that they want ISPs to pay for the
priveledge of getting to their customers. So ticket clipped at both
ends. Their customer pays and the people who the customer wishes to
reach pays too.
What will be a shame is if ISPs lose customers because their service
is considered a bit slower. Considering the helpdesker either trying
to explain to a customer why it is slower or why their service is a
bit more expensive! It just won't look good on those ISPs.
So the only way is to target the big content providers who either
host with TCL or TNZ (or not) and explain it to their IT people.
Have them put pressure on TCL/TNZ. Also have them peer at APE or
WIX to work around this problem. This is something we can do.
Let's start with the list that Simon Lyall posted. If you have
contacts in those organisations who will be able to help, go bend
their ear, email them or something.
Let's not waste time discussing this here. Rumours of this happening
has been around and surfaced from time to time. So what we need to
do now is act on it, work around it, reveal it for what it is to the
Also journalists like Paul Brislen and Juha Saarinen can help by
calling the bluff and refuse to have wool pulled over their eyes.
Write articles asking why they refuse to clarify who it is or what
is being abused?
don't the IX have clear policies on this issue?
Perhaps a better question is
"When are the IXs going to establish clear
policies on this issue?"
Is it an IX policy rather than the company's
If I were to buy you 3 pints of beer to haul my traffic from Wgtn
to Auckland, should the IX interfere?
just my 2c worth