On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Nathan Ward <nznog(a)daork.net> wrote:
On 26 January 2015 at 07:52:59, Brian E Carpenter
On 25/01/2015 22:33, Ben wrote:
CGN will not save you, and will add significant capital and operational
to any ISP, regardless of technology chosen.
There's not much choice if more IPv4 addresses aren't available. If you
of IP addreses you need CGN regardless of whether you have IPv6 support
and IPv6 may decrease the load on the CGN but not remove the necessity
This also seems to be why 464XLAT (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6877
is attracting a lot of attention. Since consumer IPv4 is in practice
a translated service today, just provide it as a translated service
running over an IPv6 substrate.
464XLAT is, from what I can see, impacted by the same flaws as DS-Lite. I
haven’t followed it as closely as I did DS-Lite though, I’ll admit.
My understanding is that both require support on CPE, and neither reduce the
CGN requirements in the ISP.
The benefit seems to be that you only need to run IPv6 in your access
I’d be surprised if any providers in NZ have so much trouble running dual
stack that running v6 only is worth having to have CPE support.
The hard bit about NZ is that a large number of people own their own CPE, so
upgrading software/replacing them with devices with support for new
protocols is hard. If you decide to roll 464XLAT or DS-Lite, you have an
interim state where you have some customers on the current native v4, and
some on the translated/tunnelled v4. How long that interim state persists is
anyone’s guess, and certainly sounds more complicated than just running v6
along side your existing native v4.
I note that over the past 2 years openwrt added support for nearly every IPv6
acquisition method out there, dslite, dhcpv6, 6over4 6to4, etc, etc. Did we miss
one? The improvements are in Barrier Breaker and later.
Native IPv6 support for cable "just works", in particular. The biggest
pita is that comcast, at least, wants to give out prefixes with short
lifetimes, and a lot of client gear, when used with ipv6, has been
expecting permanent IP6 addrs. IPv6 prefix distribution, not so much
ready for prime time yet, although the homenet working group converged
on hnetd for a in-home prefix distribution protocol, it's still kind
I am secondly curious if there are any restrictions on openwrt
routers in country, if there are issues with DSL support, etc.
Lastly, I couldn't help but want this big islam firmware upgrade for
ipv6 support to include bufferbloat related fixes, but I know I'm
464XLAT might have a way to solve that better than DS-Lite, but like I say,
I’m not super well versed so corrections are welcome.
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