On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 00:51 +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
At present, some of my outband email is sent through
mail-server(s) as they block outgoing SMTP access when you are
inflicted with Jetstream/Jetstart through Xtra.
No blocking that I'm aware of. And I've been a customer of
both, and currently use Jetstart/stop/start/stop (<grin>, a
couple of outages here in WN over the last week). I still
like the control and early warning of problems it offers me
over handing it off to Xtra.
The only "indignity" I have suffered wrt to SMTP was MAPS
DUL blocking the IP address I was allocated, deservedly, and
while I can understand people blocking relaying, I was
disappointed to find that Paradise blocked for delivery too.
The issue has been happily resolved in the Paradise case,
thanks to Mark, and somebody at Xtra assures me that they
will arrange for the DUL to be removed.
Now, this just occured, which again doesn't really
me in this instance, but I am curious as to _why_ this was
I was too, and MAPS obliged with an example of spam that had
MAPS was disappointing in that the URL their SMTP server
offered by way of explanation didn't work, and when I
queried the DUL it said it knew nothing about my IP either.
Spam is not bad enough a problem for these shoddy services
to be taken seriously, and where I might have thought Xtra
irresponsible in the past to eschew them, my thinking now is
on the other foot.
How responsible is it for an ISP to refuse *delivery* on the
word of a third-party who can be fed information from ?
yet when I check the common 'blacklisting'
mechanisms I find
Yes, once it was hard enough to get this stuff working at
all, and now we add these "transparent" barriers that often
block the innocent and are beyond the wise to understand.
so I wonder what else is out there that is used to
blacklist evil people? And why is Xtra in this list?
I guess we all do, but once the oxymoron of "blocking to
improve communcation" (a la "fighting for peace,"
"destroying the village to save it" etc. etc.) is accepted,
there's really no end to it.
PS. I acknowlege that I was an open relay, for a couple of
days, which makes me no more evil I guess than John Gilmore
), and that
the correspondence I had with MAPS was non-judgemental and
There is nothing with which every man is so afraid as
getting to know how enormously much he is capable of doing
-- Soren Kierkegaard
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