Concur with Señor Nathan here actually, the TICSA has not been much of a
handbrake to our operations to date, despite the gnashing of teeth from
some quarters before its introduction.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Nathan Ward <nznog(a)daork.net> wrote:
What an odd post. I have a question about the one piece of (sort-of)
operational content in this post.
information provided to me by a network operator about how the TICSA
notification scheme was sometimes the cause of outages in consumer internet
use, as it hindered the ability of NetOps to make quick decisions for basic
things such as replacing larger routers that would serve a city like
Can you provide (off-list is OK, to avoid further non-operational
discussion or if it is private) information about this? This seems trumped
up, as TICSA guidance from NCSC permits emergency equipment replacements
etc. See this document for information, page 14:
I have never heard of the TICSA process causing outages, and would be very
surprised to hear if that was actually the case.
As a group of engineers we need evidence, rather than conjecture.
On 21/10/2015, at 13:23, B. Morgan Murrah <bmmurrah(a)gmail.com> wrote:
With respect to the soliciting PhD Candidate below, thought Id seek a
confirmation of my understanding there is a long-held resistance to
formalising peering relationships in legal fterms? Its a phenomenon I have
am open mind to understanding, particularly with recent forms of not so
As an aside, I am emigrating from NZ in December which has been very
distracting but I am putting work on a very late submission to Kiwicon for
some kind of workshop or talk. For now I have labelled it “State of TICSA:
no country for NetOps”. Thought I am not a NetOp but have been researching
and talking too people about this issue at a sustained if uneven pace since
the Bill was introduced.
I feel I have had some success in broadening out TICSA for a wider
audience understanding about various points. For example, I spoke at a
Dunedin Free University event about information provided to me by a network
operator about how the TICSA notification scheme was sometimes the cause of
outages in consumer internet use, as it hindered the ability of NetOps to
make quick decisions for basic things such as replacing larger routers that
would serve a city like Dunedin. Whereas just one outage may have been
necessary, two outages could occur as interim measures had to be taken
while aspects of TICSA approval took place for such an example. Ultimately,
disruptions to netflix streaming need to become understood as synonymous
with TICSA kinds of intrusiveness by regular subscribers.
For my possibly final solicitation to this group:
1. You can view… well almost all about me at
including options for communication to
make a more informed judgement about me.
2. I solicit you to communicate to me any lawfully shareable information,
hypothetical future concerns with TICSA or critical thoughts to me as soon
as practicable for the opportunity to have them incorporate them in
whatever I potentially present at Kiwicon under whatever conditions you
3. New Zealand is small place and professionalism would pressure against
netops from publicly voicing these concerns themselves. This has been
evident from my communications with a few NetOps I have talked to and under
TICSA this could be considered evidence bad faith under the legislation and
invite extra scrutiny from the NCSC. Keeping the mouth shut would likely be
my advice to any NetOp if I was currently practicing and able to give legal
advice and likewise I might also have these professional concerns. This is
regrettable but the reality.
4. However, I am an American New Zealander who is hard case about this
topic and New Zealands independent foreign policy including networking with
few or no qualms as I am not currently practicing and soon emigrating. I am
confident in my ability to present things appropriately and engage with an
audience from previous public speaking experiences.
With that I hope you give it some thought. If everything works out Ill be
presenting something at Kiwicon and possibly voicing concerns on your
behalf that deserve to be pooled togethor for full force.
Beau Morgan Murrah - www.airbridge.ac.nz
Enrolled Barrister and Solicitor of the High Court of New Zealand (NB:
not a lawyer
On 20/10/2015, at 11:01 pm, Uta Meier-Hahn <meier-hahn(a)hiig.de> wrote:
Dear networkers from around the world,
Internet interconnection is largely unregulated. However, in some
countries, public regulation has emerged – be it through transparency
rules, mandatory peering or licensing terms.
Currently, we lack an overview about where regulation exists and we know
little about how it affects internet connectivity on a global scale.
To start filling this information gap, I have set up a short survey for
network engineers, peering coordinators and network-savvy legal staffers.
The goal is to crowdsource an initial overview about formal regulation of
internet interconnection around the world.
Please participate! It takes no more than 10 minutes and will serve the
I will publish the results under a Creative Commons license.
Also, please consider helping by forwarding the link to fellow
interconnection professionals - think of your Facebook, VKontakte or
LinkedIn groups, of chat channels and mailing lists. The more regional
diversity, the better. Thank you!
Alexander von Humboldt Institute for Internet and Society
Oberwallstr. 9 | 10117 Berlin
meier-hahn(a)hiig.de | T +49 30 200 760-82 | www.hiig.de/en
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