On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Michael Sutton wrote:
Over 500 clients of Xtra voluntarily registered and
received Radio New
Zealand and BBC World Live as Multicast on Telecoms dial up service for 3
years from 1998.
Radio NZ used to stream their shows from their website. ie
report, Kim Hill's (at the time) 9 - noon etc. When they stopped doing
it, I (or someone I know) inquired why. From memory the reason given is
because they could be in breach of copyright (with APRA and others) for
streaming as some of the content during those shows are music being
played or stuff from other networks. By the sounds of it, the only way
to do it and not breach is for someone to edit the recording to remove
all the stuff they don't own copyright of.
I had hoped that in time they would be able to sort out their copyright
agreements with various organisations to include online streaming.
If this is still the reason why their shows aren't streamed then it may
still be a barrier to other networks streaming online. Hence Simon
Lyall's post about jumping the hoops wiht APRA. IF they can fine a
cafe owner for playing a cassette/CD without paying copyright, goodness
knows what they'll do to someone streaming music online.
Having written that, I do not know how the other radio stations that
stream online have avoided the copyright problems.
If I was implementing Maori Television and Youth Radio
I would ...
If I ran Correspondence School I would use multicast...
I think some problems we
face in implementation sometimes tend to
be more political than technical.
Some of the target audience in the groups above tend to live in
rural areas and it is a challenge for them to get a 56k dialup
connection going (without worrying about line quality, electric
fences etc) let alone worry about high speed internet. Hence the
need for Project Probe.
I thought that Telecom, Telstra etc stopped
"telling" customers what are
permissible applications... Telecom and Telstra etc are supposed to
implement enabling technologies which can be used by its customers who know
ideal world perhaps. However in real live there appears to be
The "is there demand?" "will it reduce costs/increase revenue?"
the cost of implementation?" will have to be answered to their
management/shareholder's ROI satisfaction.
Current revenue model means they can get more revenue providing video
on demand (for $). Why introduce something like multicast when you
can charge per Mb(or Gb) for bandwidth used over ADSL? Telecom has
done the same thing for other technologies, no reason for them to chage
their modus operandi for the internet.
And as some have pointed out, apart from popular live events like
rugby/soccer etc, most things are on demand things. Events like the
America's cup races would have reduced bandwidth used. However most
people have a TV set and so that is easier to use (for the ordinary
punter) than using the internet.
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Cameron Kerr wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 12:45:16PM +1200, Nathan Ward
"The mbone is dead" - Greg Shepherd,
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this?
Papers presented at Uniforum aren't available online unless the
authors of those papers put them on their websites themselves.
As it was a comment given during the persentation in reply to
David's presentation, I don't think it is online.
I am hoping that this year's uniforum papers will be made available
online. Even if not the whole thing, the papers/presentations of
interest to NZNOG type people. After all if NANOG can' do it, why
Cameron, if you wish to attend Uniforum this year, it is next
week and so you should consider registering asap