On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 03:23:35PM +0800, T McC wrote:
Please find attached an Open Letter to all ISPs in New Zealand and
all users of NZNOG.
This is in no way to be treated as SPAM.
By what logic? The same logic I assume that if I see a comment and
the end of an email message saying "This email message has been
scanning by Snorkel Soft Anti-Blah Bloatware to ensure it is free of
condoms and other prophylactics" --- I can disengage my brains and
assume this to be correct?
It is in response to the many misconceptions and uninformed
comments made by ISPs in New Zealand and users of NZNOG as a
result of the email I sent to ISPs in New Zealand asking them to
adjust their server settings to accept access to the .z extension.
Please read it and if any one has any comments or requires any
further information please contact me.
Well... I probably should ignore this, but since I'm feeling terrible
and bitching always seems to help:
-- Generally I would recommend when sending email to a large group
of people, restrict your content to text/plain and word-wrap and
80 columns or less
-- Don't send large proprietary documents to a list, a better option
would be to using HTML and post a URL to this document
95k Microsoft Word documents are almost certainly not acceptable
I have made a quick attempt at converting this to HTML using
Microsoft Word --- which as many would guess, does a _terrible_
job of this:
and I can't be bothered fixing it up (I've leave that to Joe!)
-- As pointed out above, claiming something isn't SPAM doesn't make
-- Why should _anybody_ want to do as you ask? You complain nobody
has contacted you? You need to do something to prove your not a
crank or marketroid with no clues, otherwise these people will
exercise the delete key(s) (or clicky thing for those afraid to
use a real MUA)
-- By claiming most ISP have not taken "time to investigate ADNS.net
or ORSC" is simply wrong and somewhat insulting --- many if not
all ISPs will be familiar with such concepts preached and have
already made decisions on how they choose to deal with them (or
not deal with them, if that is the case)
-- I repeat --- saying something isn't SPAM doesn't make it so
-- I'm curious, what is WAPTERIX?
-- I thought only marketroids talk about domains as always having
'www' prepended to them?
-- Some of the people you quote have been around for a long time,
they have much experience and whilst many are not as famous as
Bill Gates, they have garnered far more respect
-- You state:
"Had Andy, as with all ISPs, taken the time to investigate
ORSC and ADNS.net
he would have seen that ORSC has a large
number of regular users and has been around for some time."
which is misleading. According to ADNS themselves, they received
less than three million requests last month, barely a trickle.
For comparison, checking ONE of several name-servers for a
not-so-small NZ ISP that I would expect to be fairly quiet, I can
see it alone does 12 million requests per month --- and it
several and is not expect to experience a high load (in fact,
most people won't even know it exists, it is almost exclusively
used for services)
-- You state:
"... we have the right to choose whatever extension we desire
to operate our business under."
which is totally correct. And I will point of the rest of the
world has the right to ignore you if they feel you have no
authority or technically ability, if they think you are a crank or
simply because they can't be bothered
-- You complain nobody attempted to contact you... how is that
anyones but YOUR problem?
Heck, I keep asking people to send me money for no good reason,
somehow though it just hasn't been successful. I guess the world
is to blame, not me though.
-- Don, whom I normally refrain from agreeing with :) stated:
"Anyone who thinks alternative roots are a solution doesn't
understand the problem with the DNS."
actually make some sense here. Your response:
"Obviously Don never investigated ORSC or else he would have
seen that ORSC not only have their own servers spread
throughout the world but also access the same servers
currently accessed by ISPs to access .com, .net, .org, .co.nz
only reinforces this comment. The problem Don alludes to is
alternative roots don't solve fundamental problems and in many
ways make things worse --- having few or many name-servers with
or without technicoloured stripes doesn't matter all that much
-- claims are made that earthlink and @home amongst other people are
supporting this --- attempts to query for ADNS domains from the
Earthlink name-servers doesn't work for me (I didn't try very
hard, twice then gave up).
I assume you mention earthlink and @home to lend credibility to
ADNS? I don't really follow the reasoning here.
Microsoft is the worlds largest software producer... that hasn't
made them very credible in as far as quality, security and
elegance of design goes. In fact, their software is widely
regarded as some of the worst out there by some --- and some of
the best by others.
We are all free to our own opinions and to make our own decisions
(well, lets just pretend anyhow)
-- The claim is made "Visibility of ORSC Top-Level domains jumps
54% in March." --- please define this and demonstrate it is
My attempts to resolve "the.earth" using a list of name-servers
produced as follows:
- AXFR co.nz domain from ns99.waikato.ac.nz
- extract as many name-server candidates as possible by
looking for lines containing "IN NS ..." and use the
- sort these by popularity, the assumption being the most
frequent will be the most popular (maybe complete lies)
- use the top 100, query each on for "the.earth" IN ANY and
see what response we get
and I got a total of 0 positive results, making this about as
popular as the "Helen Clark Rervealed" Playboy Special.
I expanded this to nearly 4900 name-servers and its still running
as I write this, so far I have got a staggering 0 hits!
Really, tell us what problem you are trying to solve, forget the
marketing stuff and explain how, by configuring their name-servers for
these alternative roots, NZ ISPs will benefit. Easier still, actually
do something useful such that customers will _request_ NZ ISPs support
these domains, surely none of them are going to ignore customer
 "I'll try to be more tolerant if you try to be smarter" sort of
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