Various people are asking me for comment, so here goes
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 09:38:16AM +1200, Matthew Poole said:
On the other side, are we now seeing a trend towards
playing a political game to try and reverse the swing away from peering?
Obviously Citylink are far more involved at the peering level than nearly
any other content provider, but blocking access to content mirrors under
the guise of protecting the consumer(when in reality it's protecting the
provider) is not a good way to make friends.
I can't really speak for other content providers, but for us, Xtra
depeering a bunch of weeks back meant that our transit pipe to Auckland
filled up, to the detriment of other services that are supposed to be
using that bandwidth. The ftp server, webcams, streaming servers, and
other knicknacks that we run could hardly be described as big earners -
when we delivered most of the traffic on WIX, then we could afford to
let the remainder leak up our transit link, but when our domestic
transit link gets swamped delivering free stuff to other ISP's punters,
then I can't easily justify upgrading it.
In a very real sense, all I'm doing is offering services for free, to
customers of ISP's in NZ. Presumably, those customers are paying those
ISP's for access to the net, and by extension, my server. Those users
must be paying the full cost of their service, in order to allow them to
reach Microsoft, or Google, or whomever - it should certainly cover the
costs of reaching a well connected server in NZ. So I don't feel it's
unreasonable to ask ISP's with customers who want some stuff I have to
peer to get it, especially if they're already up and running on the same
exchange. It doesn't seem reasonable (to me, at least) that I should
have to pay these ISP's to serve content to their users, when I wouldn't
have to pay them if my server was housed in California, or Reykjavik, or
When our link started getting walloped, I had various options. I could
turn off the mirror, but that didn't seem super constructive, especially
since Citylink itself still needs access to Debian - I'd keep the costs
of running a mirror, and lose all the goodwill. So I moved it to the
same numbers that we used last year for the LoTR, numbers for which
there is no transit contract, and which are advertised only into the WIX
route servers. The upshot of this was pretty predictable, and has been
discussed ad nauseum, so I won't go into it here.
We figured this would upset some users, and it's not a decision we took
lightly. In order to inform users who miss out about what was going on,
we've setup a sorry server in the US that apologises, and gives some
indications as to what the users can do about the situation:
these are currently on my personal wiki, at some point they'll get
marked up onto the citylink site proper.
The sorry server isn't active right now (other than for FTP), but it
will be tomorrow. ISP's who can't reach the various boxes on WIX may
get an increase in helpdesk requests as a result.
So, what's to be done about this less than ideal situation.
Obviously, Telecom could restore the peering they took away. That'd be
a positive step, and an excellent solution, but I'm not holding my
Putting a Debian mirror at APE/Xtra will doubtless ease the grizzles
from users about lack of access to Debian. However, there are other
content providers on WIX looking to bolt more services onto the WIX only
numbers, likewise there are service providers in Auckland setting up on
a similar range on APE. So fixing one service by creating more mirrors
doesn't really cure the core issue - you'll just be chasing the various
content providers on APE and WIX, and some of their content isn't going
to be easily mirrored.
If you're a service provider using an upstream who isn't peering, then
you have a choice. Moan at them until they peer (I suspect this will
work for Orcon and IHUG, they seem to getting organised to peer in
Wellington). If moaning doesn't work, then I suggest you should be
getting yourself attached to APE and WIX and taking charge of your own
domestic arrangements sooner rather than later - your upstream clearly
doesn't really have your best interests at heart. If you're unclear on
how you might achieve this, then get in contact with Citylink and we'll
help you along. If you're an Auckland based ISP looking to peer on WIX,
you should *definitely* get in touch.
If you're a content provider who'd like a bit of a transit free /24 (a
/29, for eg), to use for whatever ever you choose - mirrors, game
servers, streamers, whatever, get in contact - the more the merrier.
The obvious caveats about NZ only apply, but the price is right. I've
/24's for APE and WIX ready to cut up and hand out to anybody prepared
to put a service up.
Special treat for those peering, check this out:
Now the folks moaning about the wind in Wellington will have documentary