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This may be of interest to a number of people on this list.
r2 is also planning to stream the debate and apparently the link to the
stream will appear on http://www.internetnz.net.nz/forum/ sometime later
-------- Forwarded Message --------
From: Richard Naylor <richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz>
Subject: [nznog] Fwd: Important Event - ICT Leaders Debate, this
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:23:22 +1200
In case some of you don't get this.
>From: "Colin Jackson" <president(a)internetnz.net.nz>
>To: "INZ Members Announce" <members-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz>
>Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:54:33 +1200
>InternetNZ ICT Leaders Election Forum 2005
>This Thursday evening InternetNZ is convening an Election Forum, for
>political parties to present and defend their policies relating to
>information and communications technology policy.
>David Cunliffe MP (Labour Party), Maurice Williamson MP (National Party)
>and Mikaere Curtis (Green Party) will face questions from a panel of
>journalists (Paul Brislen, IDG / Computerworld; and Kate McLaughlin,
>National Business Review) on where they see the future of this industry,
>where they want to take it, and why.
>Date: Thursday 1 September 2005
>Time: 7.00pm - 9.00pm
>Physical Venues: University of Auckland - Access Grid Suite (Main Venue)
>and Wellington - Media Lab Conference Room, L2, 205-207 Victoria St.
>Webcast/Chatlink : Link page will be available at 6pm this afternoon at
>www.internetnz.net.nz/forum, with links to actual webcast and chat posted
>Moderated by barrister Peter Dengate Thrush, the debate will commence with
>an hour-long session where the speakers respond to pre-prepared questions
>covering the wide range of issues relating to ICT and telecommunications
>In the second hour with the politicians will take questions from the
>audience, channelled through the journalist panel, and live questions from
>the Wellington audience. Online participants will be able to participate
>in the debate through submitting questions via a web based chat channel.
>Communications between Auckland and Wellington will be by means of an
>Access Grid. The Access Grid technology provides realtime audio and video
>links between the two sites, making it an effective way to let audiences
>in different geographic locations interact in real time.
>The only attendees in the Auckland venue will be the Moderator, the
>journalists, and of course, the politicians. Outside the room will be the
>technical providers, the feedback co-ordinators and the politicians
>advisory teams. There will not be any general audience at this venue.
>There is a limited amount of space in the physical venue in Wellington for
>InternetNZ members to attend the event. Obviously we want to have a
>capacity audience at the venue. If you would like to attend, please advise
>office(a)Internetnz.net.nz as soon as possible. Physical attendance will be
>allocated on a first-come, first-served basis. For members outside of
>Wellington, we would value your on-line attendance and questions.
>This InternetNZ Election Forum provides a unique opportunity for you to
>put questions to the politicians who will be making critical decisions
>about the future regulatory environment for communications and information
>technology in New Zealand. We welcome your involvement. We feel that this
>"proof of concept" of the technologies may lead to a whole new method of
>engagement in political discussions for special interest groups wishing to
>engage in detailed debates in specialised areas of policy. Please help us
>make this event a success.
>President - InternetNZ
NZNOG mailing list
Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz
I've had a couple of these DVD kits sent to our library in the past. I
probably won't bother again, but if anyone is interested in acquiring
developer stuff from IBM, please read below.
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I've been twiddling with my wireless router settings and nothing I've
changed so far has improved performance. Some appeared to degrade it a
I'm still only getting 120kbytes/sec in gFTP/SSH. Which translates to
about 1Mbit/sec. This is supposed to be a 54Mbit device. Come someone
else with a 802.11g wireless network do a little throughput test and let
me know what sort of data rate they get.
I'm thinking about getting a replacement dedicated server. I was
thinking of getting a server from ServerBeach.com. They offer bother
Debian 3.0 and FC3.
I was think from a maintenance perspective it might be wiser for me to
use Debian. Though now that 3.1 (Sarge) is out I'd prefer to use that.
Is it possible and/or easy to upgrade 3.0 to 3.1 via apt-get
Advice, experiences, etc appreciated.
If you have some spare time over the weekend, please consider filling
out the WLUG survey at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/
We have had around 20 submissions so far, and we have received some
excellent feedback on what we should be doing differently. Some of the
suggestions will be brought in from as early as the AGM.
There are over 150 people subscribed to this list. It would be great to
end up with a similar number of responses, so we can be sure that the
overall answers are representative of the opinions of everyone involved
with WLUG. Remember, all people in any way associated with WLUG, paid
members or not, are encouraged to fill out the survey.
Everyone who fills in the survey and then signs up or renews their
membership at the AGM is in the draw to win a $100 Dick Smith
No personal information is collected and all responses are totally
That URL again: http://survey.wlug.org.nz/
the wlug server (hoiho) will be moving location and changing IP
address either today or tomorrow, and obviously this will affect
connectivity such as the wlug website and email to @wlug.org.nz
addresses. If at some stage you notice you can't reach the server,
This because our hosts are changing premises.
Does anybody have personal experience of open source equivalents?
I see Maxima, Mathomatic and mupad on the web but wondering if anybody
I am looking at packages that do algebraic manipulation, solving and
On the surface Maxima looks quite good for this.
I am looking for a reliable, good quality ADSL device that can be used as a transparent bridge to a Linux machine. Some of the Linux machines we have run as IPSEC heads, and by far the best way to make sure that the device correctly forwards packets on certain protocols (not ports) would be to have it transparent. Ultimately what I want to have is this:
internet -- adsl modem -- [linux (eth1: public IP) ]
[linux (eth0: internal IP)] - nat
The closest I've got to this before is the M1122 on PPTP, but I would rather the bridge was at ethernet level if possible.
Can anyone make any recommendations on devices that do this? Reliability is far more important than price (these will be for business customers) and I would prefer something that has firmware upgrades available without a support contract.