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Eric Light eric@e...
Wed Aug 9 19:06:18 NZST 2017


On Sun, 6 Aug 2017, at 21:41, Michael Cree wrote:
> > > It might want to also remove gnome if you had already accidently (or unwisely) installed that, and, of course, you should absolutely answer yes to doing that.  Then you will get a much improved system ;-)
> > Haha -- "Oh no, now I have no gui, and no network connection to Google a resolution!"  ;)
> Why do you assume removing network-manager means no GUI?

It was just a silly response to your comment about removing Gnome, no
seriousness involved.  :)

Gotta admit though, the funny Debian interface naming took me for a ride
the first time I encountered it.  <s>But, en6s12 has grown on me
now.</s>

> When I tried [Cinnamon] it a year or so ago it was far too slow on an older machine and did not usefully support 2160p display. Maybe that has change in the meantime?

Umm it's possible, but I wouldn't put money on it.  I'm running it on a
Dell Latitude E6410 with no trouble, but I haven't really challenged it.

> Certainly boot speed was something the systemd developers wanted to
> address and highlighted as one of their main goals.  I just find it
> ironic that a couple or so years after systemd was adopted by most
> distributions that a hardware advance came along that delivered a
> boot speed that systemd could not get anywhere near when booting on
> spinning disk.

Haha maybe that's why Lennart is so salty.  That's cool, thanks for the
history tidbit. 

E

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> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:27:18AM +1200, Eric Light wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 Jul 2017, at 13:37, Michael Cree wrote:
> > > 
> > > I would guess that "apt-get purge network-manager" should fix that
> > > problem nicely.  It might want to also remove gnome if you had
> > > already accidently (or unwisely) installed that, and, of course,
> > > you should absolutely answer yes to doing that.  Then you will get
> > > a much improved system ;-)
> > 
> > Haha -- "Oh no, now I have no gui, and no network connection to Google a
> > resolution!"  ;)
> 
> Why do you assume removing network-manager means no GUI?  There are
> GUIs (at least in Debian) that only have a recommends on
> network-manager and will work fine without it.
> 
> No network connection?  Well, I had assumed one would know to wire
> up the network in /etc/network/interfaces, but maybe I should have
> stated that a bit more clearly ;-)
> 
> But watch out, Debian Stretch names network interfaces with the
> most ridiculous scheme so if you specify eth0 you won't have a
> network.  Fortunately, a fix has been proposed, even may be applied
> now, in Debian Sid that enables one to configure the first network
> interface enumerated by the kernel, i.e., to configure the device
> as if it was eth0 without knowing what ridiculous name the system
> has decided to invent for it.
> 
> > I use Cinnamon though; really happy with it's speed and usability.
> 
> When I tried it a year or so ago it was far too slow on an older
> machine and did not usefully support 2160p display.  Maybe that has
> change in the meantime?
> 
> > > I am lead to believe was originally the primary reason given for developing systemd!
> > 
> > ... really?  Was the original goal simply better speed?  I had no idea.
> 
> Certainly boot speed was something the systemd developers wanted to
> address and highlighted as one of their main goals.  I just find it
> ironic that a couple or so years after systemd was adopted by most
> distributions that a hardware advance came along that delivered a
> boot speed that systemd could not get anywhere near when booting on
> spinning disk.
> 
> Cheers
> Michael.
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